8 hours ago, A F said:

I've never quite understood this sentiment. Roos was clearly a straight-shooter, who coupled this with years of footballing experience as a player and coach, commanded respect. Coaches who don't put noses out of joint are those that fail to make the tough decisions.

It's been mentioned before, but what happens when Goodwin is the man to make these tough calls? Can he make them, as well as maintain the relationships he's already cultivated? I'm a little wary whenever I hear the line about the players loving Goodwin.

What sentiment do you not understand ?

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

What sentiment do you not understand ?

The sentiment that implies that a love of a coach is more important than respect. 

But perhaps it was a poor choice of words. My point was more that I'd much prefer players respecting the coach, than loving them.

13 minutes ago, A F said:

The sentiment that implies that a love of a coach is more important than respect. 

But perhaps it was a poor choice of words. My point was more that I'd much prefer players respecting the coach, than loving them.

It doesn't have to be either/or.  Just look at Luke Beveridge . 

I'm told that Goodwin is a relationship builder, but also has a very hard edge and that the players know where they stand with him.

Dunn didn't play in 2016 because of Goodwin not Roos.

I certainly don't think Goodwin is just their buddy.  But I do think they really want to play for him, while I'm not sure they had the same emotive feelings for Roos.

19 minutes ago, ProDee said:

It doesn't have to be either/or.  Just look at Luke Beveridge . 

I'm told that Goodwin is a relationship builder, but also has a very hard edge and that the players know where they stand with him.

Dunn didn't play in 2016 because of Goodwin not Roos.

I certainly don't think Goodwin is just their buddy.  But I do think they really want to play for him, while I'm not sure they had the same emotive feelings for Roos.

True.

If Goodwin is anything like Luke, I'll be very happy. He made tough calls with a host of Bulldogs, but the players still love him, because he's about relationships.

At an emotional level, I would like Roosy to remain a Demon. 

However, on a rational level this seems unlikely. Roosy was a Roy Boy, then a Swan, then came to coach at the Demons. He came to the Dees because of the challenge, the money and because he was courted by Jackson. I have no doubt that he was emotionally invested in the time he was at the Dees. 

However, we need to let him go. He played and coached a Swans team to a flag. That must be very special. He must have a strong emotional connection to that club.

He came to Melbourne in a very professional and clinical manner on a contract that had a start and end date, with his succession clearly delineated. A little like the best surgeon being called in to remove a malignant cancer and giving fresh life to an ailing patient.

The fact that Goodwin has taken control in such a clear manner with Roosy not staying on in any role, tells us that this has been managed by both the club and Roosy in a very rational and professional manner.    

Coaches and football administrators, even players, are in the main, hired guns. They are professional, and, if they decide to stay in the game must move on from club to club.

However, Roos and Jackson have handled his involvement in a thoroughly professional and rational manner. Like any employment these days, an employer wants an employee to be fully committed and perform from Day 1, without the lifetime security of a job. 

Goodwin needs space and Roosy needs a rest. 

I suspect that Roos will come back to the game in someway, although the media must have a strong pull. Stay involved in the game, earn lots of money, without the responsibility of being involved in one club.

Roosy has paid his dues to Melbourne, If we do go on to sustained success, we should be forever indebted to him for his contribution. His contribution to the history of this club will have been the most significant since the days of Norm Smith. Along with PJ, they are the guys that will have turned this once ailing dying club around.  

9 hours ago, ProDee said:

It doesn't have to be either/or.  Just look at Luke Beveridge . 

I'm told that Goodwin is a relationship builder, but also has a very hard edge and that the players know where they stand with him.

Dunn didn't play in 2016 because of Goodwin not Roos.

I certainly don't think Goodwin is just their buddy.  But I do think they really want to play for him, while I'm not sure they had the same emotive feelings for Roos.

Time to settle down Ben.

"I'm told that  ... " sauce please

"Dunn didn't play in 2016 because of Goodwin"  Really?  ...sauce please.

"I certainly don't think Goodwin is just their buddy.  But I do think they really want to play for him, while I'm not sure they had the same emotive feelings for Roos".  - Ok this is opinion, fair enough. However, a distinguished poster like yourself Ben should be able to provide some underlying reasoning.

19 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Time to settle down Ben.

"I'm told that  ... " sauce please

"Dunn didn't play in 2016 because of Goodwin"  Really?  ...sauce please.

"I certainly don't think Goodwin is just their buddy.  But I do think they really want to play for him, while I'm not sure they had the same emotive feelings for Roos".  - Ok this is opinion, fair enough. However, a distinguished poster like yourself Ben should be able to provide some underlying reasoning.

I won't be providing that information . 

You're welcome to be dubious.

2 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Time to settle down Ben.

"I'm told that  ... " sauce please

"Dunn didn't play in 2016 because of Goodwin"  Really?  ...sauce please.

"I certainly don't think Goodwin is just their buddy.  But I do think they really want to play for him, while I'm not sure they had the same emotive feelings for Roos".  - Ok this is opinion, fair enough. However, a distinguished poster like yourself Ben should be able to provide some underlying reasoning.

I hasten to add that I have no contacts within the club whatsoever and that my views are formed by the occasional credible bits of information I come into contact with. 

I add this not because I doubt what I've said, I don't, but I don't want to create the wrong impression. 

3 hours ago, ProDee said:

I won't be providing that information . 

You're welcome to be dubious.

thankyou for that dalliance.

im dubious with or without your permissions.

The short of it is Dunn didbt play because of .... Dunn

6 hours ago, beelzebub said:

thankyou for that dalliance.

im dubious with or without your permissions.

The short of it is Dunn didbt play because of .... Dunn

If you go back to preseason last year you'll note that it was mentioned on Demonland that Dunn was out of favour.  

I think you'll be able to find posts that stated Goodwin was a fan of Oscar.  

These posts were made prior to round one.

Anyway, I'm quite happy for you to take the pose of a mushroom.

11 hours ago, ProDee said:

I hasten to add that I have no contacts within the club whatsoever and that my views are formed by the occasional credible bits of information I come into contact with. 

I add this not because I doubt what I've said, I don't, but I don't want to create the wrong impression. 

My sources tell me the same thing but I'm told they are unreliable with agenda's to hurt the club despite the doubters not knowing who they are.

Edited October 27, 20168 yr by Baghdad Bob

2 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

My sources tell me the same thing but I'm told they are unreliable with agenda's to hurt the club despite the doubters not knowing who they are.

That's what I like to read...conspiracies within conspiracies. In fact, a veritable Babushka doll of conspiracies.

Edited October 28, 20168 yr by La Dee-vina Comedia
typo

On 10/26/2016 at 2:33 PM, ArtificialWisdom said:

I would have thought "The Good Word"

Nah, "The Goodies"

On ‎10‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 10:37 PM, ProDee said:

I hasten to add that I have no contacts within the club whatsoever and that my views are formed by the occasional credible bits of information I come into contact with. 

I add this not because I doubt what I've said, I don't, but I don't want to create the wrong impression. 

A very responsible attitude.

The last thing we want on Demonland is a wrong impression.

On 25/10/2016 at 10:51 AM, willmoy said:

If Collingwood can be cleaned up surely the AFL can be cleaned up as well.

Then clearly neither can.