2 hours ago, stuie said:

Yeah you're right, I'm a man, why should I care women are being murdered and beaten at an alarming rate, doesn't effect me...

Are you a man? A man puts his hand up when he's wrong, I'm still waiting for your response on the "I didn't say one solution". No it's not a big deal and I don't care that much buts it's the principal of it. It's called being accountable, something parents should install into their kids.

 

17 minutes ago, stuie said:

Feel free to post your insightful videos showing that it's all the woman's fault then.... Oh wait...

I work in construction not surveillance.

30 minutes ago, nutbean said:

Titus O'reilly has his say...

Some fun defences of Dustin Martin

Nailed it.

2 hours ago, america de cali said:

Obviously you are the kind  who can look after himself. Lucky for Martin you were not  there to flail him with your keyboard stokes.

Oh please......After 30 years in the Police Force....Yes I can look after myself.......but at my age keyboard strokes are all I have left

If everybody just minds their own business this type of behaviour will continue.....Someone has to step up and in this case it was a woman....I don't think she is gloating about it and I think that it took a lot of guts to do what she did.   She could of taken this a whole lot further if she wanted too and had him charged but it appears that the apology was sufficient.   Sometimes you just have to do the right thing. 

45 minutes ago, stuie said:

Feel free to post your insightful videos showing that it's all the woman's fault then.... Oh wait...

 

27 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I work in construction not surveillance.

 

That's your answer?

You do understand that it is not OK to threaten to stab someone in the face with a chopstick even if they taunt you don't you? Many people have been on the wrong end of unfair treatment, this never justifies threatening to stab them in the face, just accept that. The fact that the victim is a female just shows how weak a character Martin is.

 

PS. Yes I would say that to his face. Men need to stand up to men that are violent towards women. I have done it and will continue to do it.

13 minutes ago, ManDee said:

 

 

That's your answer?

You do understand that it is not OK to threaten to stab someone in the face with a chopstick even if they taunt you don't you? Many people have been on the wrong end of unfair treatment, this never justifies threatening to stab them in the face, just accept that. The fact that the victim is a female just shows how weak a character Martin is.

 

PS. Yes I would say that to his face. Men need to stand up to men that are violent towards women. I have done it and will continue to do it.

What are you going on about?

My response of "I work in construction not surveillance" was my answer to Stu's inciteful post of "Feel free to post your....blah blah blah".

Why would I not understand certain behaviour is unacceptable?

 

Stu and Dusty have something in common, both aren't accountable for their own actions.

 

 

This situation has nothing to do with domestic violence.

This is another potential alcohol/drug fuelled one-punch/king-hit incident.

Both situations have the potential to lead to fatality.

Any perceived provocation is irrelevant, as is any "penalty" the AFL/RFC are capable of delivering.

 

2 hours ago, H_T said:

These are all reasonable points mauriesy. I thought good on Barrassi for intervening when he did on the street a few years back in StKilda.

But I also feared for his safety. No one knows what the outcome might be if you take matters into your own hands.

In both cases the results could have been far worse after confrontation.

But would have happened if he had not intervened? H_T     If he had just said "nothing to do with me"  A young Solicitor gave his life for trying to support a woman being bashed in the middle of the city on a workday.   Sometimes you just have to do the right thing regardless.    Sorry, feel strongly about the "See nothing. Do nothing" members of our society.      

14 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

But would have happened if he had not intervened? H_T     If he had just said "nothing to do with me"  A young Solicitor gave his life for trying to support a woman being bashed in the middle of the city on a workday.   Sometimes you just have to do the right thing regardless.    Sorry, feel strongly about the "See nothing. Do nothing" members of our society.      

in fairness, bd, i don't think people were necessarily advocating "see nothing, do nothing". i took it as posters discussing options.

i don't think the victorian police force would generally recommend a female approach a drunken heavily built male with a reputation, in a bar and try and chastise him. they would probably recommend an alternative course of action 

having said that, i admire her balls and concern for what what she did even if i wouldn't recommend it. she certainly didn't do anything wrong

Edited December 10, 20159 yr by daisycutter

2 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

But would have happened if he had not intervened? H_T     If he had just said "nothing to do with me"  A young Solicitor gave his life for trying to support a woman being bashed in the middle of the city on a workday.   Sometimes you just have to do the right thing regardless.    Sorry, feel strongly about the "See nothing. Do nothing" members of our society.      

As I stated, I thought good on Barrassi for intervening. He did what he thought was right in helping. 

Had he not, who knows. 

I feel strongly and have the same attitude as you. But I also acknowledge the safety issue in todays world of drugged up to the eyeball resistance. And it's not making excuses as some here would have you believe. I have stated Martin deserves to be punished for his actions, and he deservedly will get what is coming.

Some like myself are just looking at preventative measures - RSA (responsible serving alcohol), mates looking after mates, seeking management, seeking assistance with like minded people. Approaching or confronting someone (by self) well under the influence (who knows if its also drug related) could be a recipe for disaster in todays world. Of course it maybe difficult for the latter two in the moment of time - like Barrassi who couldn't just sit by and watch what was unfolding; I just think it's worth pursuing in todays culture of unknown substances.

Some here amazingly and wrongly put that in the basket of defending Martin somehow - couldn't be further from the truth.

 

42 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

What are you going on about?

My response of "I work in construction not surveillance" was my answer to Stu's inciteful post of "Feel free to post your....blah blah blah".

Why would I not understand certain behaviour is unacceptable?

 

Stu and Dusty have something in common, both aren't accountable for their own actions.

 

 

 

I quoted stuie's post immediately preceding yours to put it in the correct context. You blab on about your bias's and you question others who have provided some evidence, when questioned you say you work in construction as if that excuses you from providing any proof. 

Based on your posts on this matter I think you may have issues regarding what is and isn't acceptable. And yes I understand we all have bias's.

2 hours ago, stuie said:

https://youtu.be/N2b8J1WdEW8

Thanks for posting Stuie - I asked and I received.  That said, it is pathetic footage, doesn't really show anything, and I don't think you can use this as part of your argument on here (I agree with most of your points, BTW).

 

Those suggesting that the woman shouldn't have confronted Martin, well, it is part of their job to do that.  Such is the life of a worker in this type of industry.  She clearly believed that she could handle the initial situation (ie approaching a drunk patron), and I'd expect most females and males to not have any concerns doing this.  If it then got out of hand, then I'd expect management would've been straight on to it, with the next action being police involvement.

 

If she did it to try and set him off/antagonise him, then more fool her.  But, in no way am I suggesting that she got what she deserved, or that Martin's behaviour was appropriate.

 

We may never know the true story (from her side of things), but we've learnt (or had it confirmed) that Martin is a grub.

 

I'd like to think the woman, and the venue's management, have learnt a very valuable lesson from this.  I'd also like to think that Marti will get an appropriate sanction.

32 minutes ago, H_T said:

As I stated, I thought good on Barrassi for intervening. He did what he thought was right in helping. 

Had he not, who knows. 

I feel strongly and have the same attitude as you. But I also acknowledge the safety issue in todays world of drugged up to the eyeball resistance. And it's not making excuses as some here would have you believe. I have stated Martin deserves to be punished for his actions, and he deservedly will get what is coming.

Some like myself are just looking at preventative measures - RSA (responsible serving alcohol), mates looking after mates, seeking management, seeking assistance with like minded people. Approaching or confronting someone (by self) well under the influence (who knows if its also drug related) could be a recipe for disaster in todays world. Of course it maybe difficult for the latter two in the moment of time - like Barrassi who couldn't just sit by and watch what was unfolding; I just think it's worth pursuing in todays culture of unknown substances.

Some here amazingly and wrongly put that in the basket of defending Martin somehow - couldn't be further from the truth.

 

No one has said you're defending Martin.

What I disagree with is some of your "preventative measures", to me it all just sounds a bit like telling women not to walk alone or go anywhere by themselves at night. You're putting the onus in the wrong direction.

 

Edited December 10, 20159 yr by stuie

6 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

Thanks for posting Stuie - I asked and I received.  That said, it is pathetic footage, doesn't really show anything, and I don't think you can use this as part of your argument on here (I agree with most of your points, BTW).

 

Those suggesting that the woman shouldn't have confronted Martin, well, it is part of their job to do that.  Such is the life of a worker in this type of industry.  She clearly believed that she could handle the initial situation (ie approaching a drunk patron), and I'd expect most females and males to not have any concerns doing this.  If it then got out of hand, then I'd expect management would've been straight on to it, with the next action being police involvement.

 

If she did it to try and set him off/antagonise him, then more fool her.  But, in no way am I suggesting that she got what she deserved, or that Martin's behaviour was appropriate.

 

We may never know the true story (from her side of things), but we've learnt (or had it confirmed) that Martin is a grub.

 

I'd like to think the woman, and the venue's management, have learnt a very valuable lesson from this.  I'd also like to think that Marti will get an appropriate sanction.

I didn't post the video as evidence of everything that happened, I posted it as it clearly shows Martin standing over the woman at her table, hardly the "she went up and harassed him" story some are trying to push.

 

That YouTube Footage tells me nothing...

Is Martin a part owner of the Restaurant in question?

Shareholder threatening a paying customer with serious eye damage puts this into another level again. 

I have never known anyone to be drinking shots after a day at a dance festival btw

MDMA and hard liquor do not mix at all, but then Dustin is not human...

Just now, stuie said:

I didn't post the video as evidence of everything that happened, I posted it as it clearly shows Martin standing over the woman at her table, hardly the "she went up and harassed him" story some are trying to push.

 

Stuie, it shows about 5 seconds of an event that would have gone on for minutes.  You don't know how she originally approached him.  To be honest, I thought you must have seen footage of him hitting the wall, or had chopstick in hand, such was your assurance of fact.

 

Any type of violent act, be it toward the same sex, or especially between man and woman, is a very serious matter.  However, you need to relax a little on this particular issue as you, like me and the rest of the posters on here, don't know the entire story, and it's clearly not as black and white as you are making it. 

Just now, billy2803 said:

Stuie, it shows about 5 seconds of an event that would have gone on for minutes.  You don't know how she originally approached him.  To be honest, I thought you must have seen footage of him hitting the wall, or had chopstick in hand, such was your assurance of fact.

 

Any type of violent act, be it toward the same sex, or especially between man and woman, is a very serious matter.  However, you need to relax a little on this particular issue as you, like me and the rest of the posters on here, don't know the entire story, and it's clearly not as black and white as you are making it. 

Well unless she moved her table (and the wall) over to where Dustin was then the video clearly shows him standing over her where she is, not over at the bar harassing him.

Not the whole story obviously, as I have said, but pretty clear indication that he's not some innocent victim minding his own business.

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Well unless she moved her table (and the wall) over to where Dustin was then the video clearly shows him standing over her where she is, not over at the bar harassing him.

Not the whole story obviously, as I have said, but pretty clear indication that he's not some innocent victim minding his own business.

Who the hell has said this???

There's a difference between doing your job by asking a drunk patron to quieten down, and targeting a drunk patron with obvious issues.

As I said, none of us know which category this lass falls under, but either way, I hope she and her management have learnt some valuable lessons moving forward.

11 minutes ago, stuie said:

I didn't post the video as evidence of everything that happened, I posted it as it clearly shows Martin standing over the woman at her table, hardly the "she went up and harassed him" story some are trying to push.

 

i don't think it shows anything clearly and i'm surprised you claim it did

it also has no chronological context. i.e. was the filmed at start, middle, end of confrontation

22 minutes ago, stuie said:

No one has said you're defending Martin.

What I disagree with is some of your "preventative measures", to me it all just sounds a bit like telling women not to walk alone or go anywhere by themselves at night. You're putting the onus in the wrong direction.

 

Defending Martin - as in victim blaming. ManDee earlier said "There is a lot of victim blaming going on here" - and what I've interpreted is this insituation of my earlier post(s) relating to this. As I said, it couldn't be further from the truth.

You can disagree with preventative measures I've mentioned - I have no problem with you not wanting to avoid confrontation and furthermore incidents such as this. But I would question why.

As for my reply to BossDog with which you quoted. stuie that is a general view of both genders - all in sundry taking care. Not once did I single out women. I even highlighted the Barassi incident. Or are you trying to paint me in some sort of corner here? I sincerely hope you're not.

 

 

15 minutes ago, billy2803 said:

Who the hell has said this???

There's a difference between doing your job by asking a drunk patron to quieten down, and targeting a drunk patron with obvious issues.

As I said, none of us know which category this lass falls under, but either way, I hope she and her management have learnt some valuable lessons moving forward.

What about Dustin? Nothing for him to learn? Just up to everyone else to deal with however he wants to act?

7 minutes ago, H_T said:

Defending Martin - as in victim blaming. ManDee earlier said "There is a lot of victim blaming going on here" - and what I've interpreted is this insituation of my earlier post(s) relating to this. As I said, it couldn't be further from the truth.

You can disagree with preventative measures I've mentioned - I have no problem with you not wanting to avoid confrontation and furthermore incidents such as this. But I would question why.

As for my reply to BossDog with which you quoted. stuie that is a general view of both genders - all in sundry taking care. Not once did I single out women. I even highlighted the Barassi incident. Or are you trying to paint me in some sort of corner here? I sincerely hope you're not.

 

Not trying to paint you into any corners mate, and that wasn't directed at you individually, was all general comments.

What I'm saying is, the "preventative measures" need to be aimed at the perpetrator, not the victim. I used the example of people telling women to avoid walking by themselves or being alone at night, when the actual problem lies with the people doing these acts. I don't believe we should just accept these things will happen and focus on ways to avoid them, I think we should be targeting the cause.

 

 

Edited December 10, 20159 yr by stuie

1 minute ago, stuie said:

What about Dustin? Nothing for him to learn? Just up to everyone else to deal with however he wants to act?

ffs stuie, stop chewing the bone and learn to listen. you have a real problem

and p.s. you don't have to respond to every post, most of us understand your position on this incident

1 minute ago, stuie said:

What about Dustin? Nothing for him to learn? Just up to everyone else to deal with however he wants to act?

There's two issues here, Stuie, not just the one that you keep banging on about.  I've addressed both at different times in my posts.

50 minutes ago, ManDee said:

 

I quoted stuie's post immediately preceding yours to put it in the correct context. You blab on about your bias's and you question others who have provided some evidence, when questioned you say you work in construction as if that excuses you from providing any proof. 

Based on your posts on this matter I think you may have issues regarding what is and isn't acceptable. And yes I understand we all have bias's.

Which of my posts? And Stu, come out from under ManDees's desk.