2 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Because in some cases the issues are intertwined with other issues so wouldn't it be better to deal with them all at once, or at least let them know that they are working on a solution rather than giving certain groups little to no assistance at all whilst putting all their resources into one area. 

That's not how it works. What do you think this one solution they're apparently working on is? Of course it's being looked at as a broad problem with different causes, situations, environments and aspects, but the overarching issue is violence against women. Stop trying to dilute that and realize it's the biggest issue.

31 minutes ago, stuie said:

This is plainly not true, and I can tell you that from recent experience.

I have no doubt that might be true with regards to your case but every case is unique and different. I can tell you from my experiences and those close to me that money is the main factor. An example being a child has to spend x amount of nights with their dad to be considered shared custody. Woman will conveniently forget or make the child unavailable then are straight on the phone to CSA putting their hands out for more money claiming the father hasn't fulfilled his share of responsibilities. In cases where custody orders are drawn a man could give a woman as much as two months notice with regards to swapping dates due to work commitments and the woman will refuse to negotiate, just because they can. When a child enters teenage years these games become harder to play for the woman but sadly in many cases the damage is already done. Now don't take this next bit the wrong way, but if in your situation money isn't an issue well that's a good thing because that's one less thing you have to worry about but for many it is. 

 

 

 

Edited December 9, 20159 yr by Bombay Airconditioning

Just now, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I have no doubt that might be true with regards to your case but every case is unique and different. I can tell you from my experiences and those close to me that money is the main factor. An example being a child has to spend x amount of nights with their dad to be considered shared custody. Woman will conveniently forget or make the child unavailable then are straight on the phone to CSA putting their hands out for more money claiming the father hasn't fulfilled his share of responsibilities. In cases where custody orders are drawn a man could give a woman as much as two months notice with regards to swapping dates due to work commitments and the woman will refuse to negotiate, just because they can. When a child enters teenage years these games become harder to play for the woman but sadly in many cases the damage is already done. Now don't take this next bit the wrong way, but if in your situation money isn't an issue well that's a good thing because that's one less thing you have to worry about but for many it is. 

I haven't said I didn't have any issues, quite the opposite, but as I've already said a few times violence against women is the bigger more pressing issue and will be looked at in depth with many factors considered.

Though there is absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour, I bet that woman is smug and proud of herself now that she has taken down this big intoxicated macho man a peg or two. 

Seen a similar incident  years ago at a  McDonalds restaurant in Adelaide. A big scary looking tattooed biker type came in with his dog. This guy looked like a victim of a bike accident and was clearly brain damaged and partially crippled  She started  abusing him loudly demanding he remove the dog. Created a huge scene. The guy who had a speech impediment was trying to tell her the dog "no bite"  and clearly could not understand what she wanted. She just kept goading him and he lashed out after her boyfriend joined in the argument. The boyfriend floored him as this guy was in no condition to fight back. There was blood  and toppled furniture everywhere. The police came and took the guy and his dog away. She then was so smug about it and started lecturing the staff about their responsibilities about letting dogs into the restaurant.  She caused a huge fuss when it was best to just ignore the issue or go through the right channels.  Me and my friends gave her a serve as she left but she just smiled back haughtily.

Bact to Martin, was it her business to reproach him for his behaviour? She should have gone to management. It was none of her business. How many of us would have done the same if we were in her shoes?  We would have a good idea of the likely consequences. Taking on a big macho drunk is a recipe for trouble. She is just an idiot like him looking for trouble.

 

Edited December 9, 20159 yr by america de cali

2 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Though there is absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour, I bet that woman is smug and proud of herself now that she has taken down this big intoxicated macho man a peg or two. 

Seen a similar incident  years ago ar a McDonalds restaurant in Adelaide. A big scary looking tattooed biker type came in with his dog. This guy looked like a victim of a bike accident and was clearly brain damaged and partially crippled  She started  abusing him loudly demanding he remove the dog. Created a huge scene. The guy who had a speech impediment was trying to tell her the dog "no bite"  and clearly could not understand what she wanted. She just kept goading him and he lashed out after boyfriend joined in the argument. The boyfriend floored him as this guy was in no condition to fight back. There was blood everywhere. The police came and took the guy and his dog away. She then was so smug about it and started lecturing the staff about their responsibilities letting about letting dogs into the restaurant.  She caused a huge fuss when it was best to just ignore the issue or go through the right channels.  Me and my friends gave her a serve as she left but she just smiled back haughtily.

Bact to Martin, was it her business to reproach him for his behaviour? She should have gone management. It was none of her business. How many of us would have done the same if we were in her shoes?  Taking on a big macho drunk is a recipe for trouble. She is just an idiot like him.

 

Ridiculous post.

Yeah I'm sure this woman who had her left threatened and is now to scared to make a statement due to Martin's "connections" feels really "smug".

Victim blaming once again, woman should have known her place hey? Geez there's a lot being found out about Demonland in this thread.

Anyone who would have known their place "man or woman"  would have been a little wiser. There are idiot women too in case you don't know.

Edited December 9, 20159 yr by america de cali

4 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Though there is absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour, I bet that woman is smug and proud of herself now that she has taken down this big intoxicated macho man a peg or two. 

Seen a similar incident  years ago ar a McDonalds restaurant in Adelaide. A big scary looking tattooed biker type came in with his dog. This guy looked like a victim of a bike accident and was clearly brain damaged and partially crippled  She started  abusing him loudly demanding he remove the dog. Created a huge scene. The guy who had a speech impediment was trying to tell her the dog "no bite"  and clearly could not understand what she wanted. She just kept goading him and he lashed out after boyfriend joined in the argument. The boyfriend floored him as this guy was in no condition to fight back. There was blood everywhere. The police came and took the guy and his dog away. She then was so smug about it and started lecturing the staff about their responsibilities letting about letting dogs into the restaurant.  She caused a huge fuss when it was best to just ignore the issue or go through the right channels.  Me and my friends gave her a serve as she left but she just smiled back haughtily.

Bact to Martin, was it her business to reproach him for his behaviour? She should have gone management. It was none of her business. How many of us would have done the same if we were in her shoes?  Taking on a big macho drunk is a recipe for trouble. She is just an idiot like him.

 

well it did occur to me adc that for someone knowing who he is, knowing he was drunk and potentially more, to watlz up to the imposing 187cm, 93kg martin with a bad boy rep and start "chastising" him was either an extraordinary ballsy act or an incredibly dumb one

still, no excuse for martin's behaviour

 

19 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I have no doubt that might be true with regards to your case but every case is unique and different. I can tell you from my experiences and those close to me that money is the main factor. An example being a child has to spend x amount of nights with their dad to be considered shared custody. Woman will conveniently forget or make the child unavailable then are straight on the phone to CSA putting their hands out for more money claiming the father hasn't fulfilled his share of responsibilities. In cases where custody orders are drawn a man could give a woman as much as two months notice with regards to swapping dates due to work commitments and the woman will refuse to negotiate, just because they can. When a child enters teenage years these games become harder to play for the woman but sadly in many cases the damage is already done. Now don't take this next bit the wrong way, but if in your situation money isn't an issue well that's a good thing because that's one less thing you have to worry about but for many it is. 

 

 

 

Its not that some women refuse to negotiate just because they can - but because the system incentivizes it. If they can cut your custody time, then that means more $$'s. That is part of the problem with the system, it makes it hard for relationships to remain healthy and stable. I feel sorry for the kids, its not their fault. The kids are the ones who are largely affected by this broken system.

11 minutes ago, stuie said:

Ridiculous post.

Yeah I'm sure this woman who had her left threatened and is now to scared to make a statement due to Martin's "connections" feels really "smug".

Victim blaming once again, woman should have known her place hey? Geez there's a lot being found out about Demonland in this thread.

adc did start with "absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour".

Fwiw, IMO, I dare say most here would have gone to management first.

Many years ago Police would attend domestics......They would separate the two combatants....give them a good talking to and unless blood was flowing leave the adults to work it out.....There was no follow up.   These were how most domestics were handled.

Since then, Police are now obliged to take out an intervention order for all domestics attended weather assault related or not and as a result the reports have gone through the roof.   The courts have a special court room to settle all domestic violence and are still backed up for six months.    So if you had an argument with your wife and police attended they have to apply for an intervention order, even if you have made up with said wife and every thing is rosy again.

I don't have the solution to this problem nor do I condone violence.....It just explains why the issue is so much more in the public eye.

As for Police taking no action......Well, first you have a complainant or you case will not proceed.    Don't blame the Police ....Blame the legal system    

So many excuses being made for a man who threatened a woman's life and physically intimidated her. Amazing.

"Oh, he shouldn't have done it I guess, but....."

Weak.

27 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Though there is absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour, I bet that woman is smug and proud of herself now that she has taken down this big intoxicated macho man a peg or two. 

Seen a similar incident  years ago ar a McDonalds restaurant in Adelaide. A big scary looking tattooed biker type came in with his dog. This guy looked like a victim of a bike accident and was clearly brain damaged and partially crippled  She started  abusing him loudly demanding he remove the dog. Created a huge scene. The guy who had a speech impediment was trying to tell her the dog "no bite"  and clearly could not understand what she wanted. She just kept goading him and he lashed out after boyfriend joined in the argument. The boyfriend floored him as this guy was in no condition to fight back. There was blood everywhere. The police came and took the guy and his dog away. She then was so smug about it and started lecturing the staff about their responsibilities letting about letting dogs into the restaurant.  She caused a huge fuss when it was best to just ignore the issue or go through the right channels.  Me and my friends gave her a serve as she left but she just smiled back haughtily.

Bact to Martin, was it her business to reproach him for his behaviour? She should have gone management. It was none of her business. How many of us would have done the same if we were in her shoes?  Taking on a big macho drunk is a recipe for trouble. She is just an idiot like him.

 

Wow.......Maybe we should all just mind our own business and never become involved......Just close our eyes and pretend it didn't happen.    I would hate to be in trouble and have to rely on you for help.   .What a pathetic response.

Edited December 9, 20159 yr by Bossdog

1 minute ago, stuie said:

So many excuses being made for a man who threatened a woman's life and physically intimidated her. Amazing.

"Oh, he shouldn't have done it I guess, but....."

Weak.

Many here mention there is absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour, whatsoever. You seem to conveniently overlook that, particularly this morning in recent posts.

If someone expresses how things could have been prevented or mentions possible preventative measures such as approaching the manager, that is not weak, nor is it condoning threatening one's life or ok for violence against women. 

 

 

1 hour ago, stuie said:

You are speaking to someone who has been through almost exactly that scenario. So yeah you are asking them, and I'm telling you violence against women is the bigger and more pressing issue.

I think you'll find the bigger issue as far as the individual is concerned is the one that directly affects them, for children it's the fact they don't have both their mum and dad.

3 minutes ago, H_T said:

Many here mention there is absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour, whatsoever. You seem to conveniently overlook that, particularly this morning in recent posts.

If someone expresses how things could have been prevented or mentions possible preventative measures such as approaching the manager, that is not weak, nor is it condoning threatening one's life or ok for violence against women. 

 

 

40 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Though there is absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour, I bet that woman is smug and proud of herself now that she has taken down this big intoxicated macho man a peg or two.

 

Sure mate... Totally reasonable...

1 hour ago, stuie said:

That's not how it works. What do you think this one solution they're apparently working on is? Of course it's being looked at as a broad problem with different causes, situations, environments and aspects, but the overarching issue is violence against women. Stop trying to dilute that and realize it's the biggest issue.

I didn't say one solution I said deal with them all at once, and their is a difference.

3 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I think you'll find the bigger issue as far as the individual is concerned is the one that directly affects them, for children it's the fact they don't have both their mum and dad.

Yeah you're right, I'm a man, why should I care women are being murdered and beaten at an alarming rate, doesn't effect me...

42 minutes ago, stuie said:

I haven't said I didn't have any issues, quite the opposite, but as I've already said a few times violence against women is the bigger more pressing issue and will be looked at in depth with many factors considered.

Again you've misunderstood what I've written. The point I was trying to make was that just because money isn't/wasn't a factor in your situation that doesn't mean it isn't for other people's. So as for your "That is plainly not true, and I can tell you from recent experience" your life is not a template for everybody else's.

21 minutes ago, Bossdog said:

Wow.......Maybe we should all just mind our own business and never become involved......Just close our eyes and pretend it didn't happen.    I would hate to be in trouble and have to rely on you for help.   .What a pathetic response.

Obviously you are the kind  who can look after himself. Lucky for Martin you were not  there to flail him with your keyboard stokes.

7 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Again you've misunderstood what I've written. The point I was trying to make was that just because money isn't/wasn't a factor in your situation that doesn't mean it isn't for other people's. So as for your "That is plainly not true, and I can tell you from recent experience" your life is not a template for everybody else's.

And neither is yours.

1 hour ago, stuie said:

That's not how it works. What do you think this one solution they're apparently working on is? Of course it's being looked at as a broad problem with different causes, situations, environments and aspects, but the overarching issue is violence against women. Stop trying to dilute that and realize it's the biggest issue.

 

5 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I didn't say one solution I said deal with them all at once, and their is a difference.

First paragraph second sentence....

57 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Though there is absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour, I bet that woman is smug and proud of herself now that she has taken down this big intoxicated macho man a peg or two. 

Seen a similar incident  years ago at a  McDonalds restaurant in Adelaide. A big scary looking tattooed biker type came in with his dog. This guy looked like a victim of a bike accident and was clearly brain damaged and partially crippled  She started  abusing him loudly demanding he remove the dog. Created a huge scene. The guy who had a speech impediment was trying to tell her the dog "no bite"  and clearly could not understand what she wanted. She just kept goading him and he lashed out after her boyfriend joined in the argument. The boyfriend floored him as this guy was in no condition to fight back. There was blood  and toppled furniture everywhere. The police came and took the guy and his dog away. She then was so smug about it and started lecturing the staff about their responsibilities about letting dogs into the restaurant.  She caused a huge fuss when it was best to just ignore the issue or go through the right channels.  Me and my friends gave her a serve as she left but she just smiled back haughtily.

Bact to Martin, was it her business to reproach him for his behaviour? She should have gone to management. It was none of her business. How many of us would have done the same if we were in her shoes?  We would have a good idea of the likely consequences. Taking on a big macho drunk is a recipe for trouble. She is just an idiot like him looking for trouble.

 

Trouble is you relate this story as if it equates to the Martin situation, when it most likely has nothing to do with it in terms of similarity. There's no indication that the woman in Martin's case was at all 'smug' and it's reprehensible to imply it.

As for the woman approaching Martin, why isn't her business if she was affected by the behaviour and thought it loud and obnoxious? Good on her for not being backward in coming forward. Maybe the restaurant hadn't done anything. Maybe the staff were also intimidated by Martin's behaviour. Maybe most of the staff were women.

Either the restaurant (or previous places) had been serving too many drinks to Martin, or his friends had been ignoring his drinking (or worse, buying him drinks). One is a failure of RSA, the other is mates not caring and not "looking after their mate". 

16 minutes ago, stuie said:

 

Sure mate... Totally reasonable...

stuie, you don't do yourself any favours with responses like that. 

Can I ask, do you get my point (and others) about preventative measures? (Reminding you again that no one condones such behaviour as Martin's, nor stands for violence against women)

 

It's a simple question, that demands a simple answer. I'm confident you can give a straight answer, rather than splintering off on a tangent, quoting others posts.

What if Dustin in his intoxicated and unconcious state, actually inflicted more than pain on the victim after the threat? Resulting in something far, far more serious?

Would you in your wisdom just look at the result and consequence, or, would you also look at a preventative measure to prevent such confrontation and end result? 

 

1 hour ago, america de cali said:

Though there is absolutely no excuse for Martin's behaviour, I bet that woman is smug and proud of herself now that she has taken down this big intoxicated macho man a peg or two. 

Seen a similar incident  years ago at a  McDonalds restaurant in Adelaide. A big scary looking tattooed biker type came in with his dog. This guy looked like a victim of a bike accident and was clearly brain damaged and partially crippled  She started  abusing him loudly demanding he remove the dog. Created a huge scene. The guy who had a speech impediment was trying to tell her the dog "no bite"  and clearly could not understand what she wanted. She just kept goading him and he lashed out after her boyfriend joined in the argument. The boyfriend floored him as this guy was in no condition to fight back. There was blood  and toppled furniture everywhere. The police came and took the guy and his dog away. She then was so smug about it and started lecturing the staff about their responsibilities about letting dogs into the restaurant.  She caused a huge fuss when it was best to just ignore the issue or go through the right channels.  Me and my friends gave her a serve as she left but she just smiled back haughtily.

Bact to Martin, was it her business to reproach him for his behaviour? She should have gone to management. It was none of her business. How many of us would have done the same if we were in her shoes?  We would have a good idea of the likely consequences. Taking on a big macho drunk is a recipe for trouble. She is just an idiot like him looking for trouble.

 

Your opening paragraph is the same as saying "I'm not a racist but......". You devote 5 words to Martin and the rest is a rant about women. Your post has a misogynist feel to it. 

22 minutes ago, stuie said:

And neither is yours.