POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 16

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

I rated Taylor's 32 possessions as close to the worst 32 possession game I've ever seen. That bloke doesn't kick more than 20 meters, just does rubbish dinky kicks and his disposal efficiency was putrid!

I don't think that there were many on the weekend who made the majority of their disposals really count.

[rpfc 28,430]

That's just plain nonsense. Endurance is related to cardiovascular fitness. It doesn't build up from one year to the next in a cumulative fashion related to how many preseasons you get under your belt. It's related to how much aerobic exercise you do in the past few weeks. If you keep doing aerobic exercise you keep fit. If you stop or curtail the exercise you become less fit as your body is less able to move the oxygen around as effectively and your muscles are less able to use it as efficiently.

This is not my field of expertise, but there is a significant difference in the ability for players to last for a season of footy as teenagers compared to a more seasoned body.

I shouldn't have thrown the 'E' word out there but those kids are not developed footy players in mind and body.

They will not last as long, in performance and application and effort, as they will in a few years time.

Maybe it isn't 'tiredness' but it is footy...

[Webber 10,468]

That's just plain nonsense. Endurance is related to cardiovascular fitness. It doesn't build up from one year to the next in a cumulative fashion related to how many preseasons you get under your belt. It's related to how much aerobic exercise you do in the past few weeks. If you keep doing aerobic exercise you keep fit. If you stop or curtail the exercise you become less fit as your body is less able to move the oxygen around as effectively and your muscles are less able to use it as efficiently.

What he said is not nonsense, Kali. The endurance capacity of the body can be enhanced over the long term. It relates specifically to VO2 Max and lactate threshold, which can be maximised over the long term, not in the space of one preseason. Musculoskeletal resilience is also at its best in the mid to late twenties.Endurance potential also improves with age right through to the mid for most, and late 30's for some. That there is a trade of in loss of strength, and ballistic power is a complication for some sports that require this, but endurance sports are never populated by athletes in their early twenties. It is entirely predictable and physiologically provable that the first to fourth year players will drop off as the season wears on. Still, never let science get in the way of a black and whit argument.

[Webber 10,468]

This is not my field of expertise, but there is a significant difference in the ability for players to last for a season of footy as teenagers compared to a more seasoned body.

I shouldn't have thrown the 'E' word out there but those kids are not developed footy players in mind and body.

They will not last as long, in performance and application and effort, as they will in a few years time.

Maybe it isn't 'tiredness' but it is footy...

Fear not rpfc, science is on your side.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

Max got a vote in the coaches award last week, how is this possible, if he was as bad as you make out

He wasn't "bad" but he should've dominated. What's the point in winning the tap if it doesn't register as a hitout to advantage?

BTW last week's game was putrid too, would probably struggle to find 5 good players - Daniher, Goddard, Baguley that's about it.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,084]

hate to think what r&b thinks a stab kick was

For your sake, I won't mention skid marks. And don't get me started on birth marks ...

[daisycutter 29,616]

For your sake, I won't mention skid marks. And don't get me started on birth marks ...

don't be so coy r&b, we all waiting breathlessly for your opinion on these, especially bbo who suffers badly from the former

[Red and Bluebeard 2,084]

don't be so coy r&b, we all waiting breathlessly for your opinion on these, especially bbo who suffers badly from the former

BBO suffers from breathlessly waiting for my opinion? I don't know what to think about that ...

[jnrmac 20,065]

Coaches votes

Melbourne v Brisbane Lions

10 Hogan (Melb)

7 Howe (Melb)

6 Gawn (Melb)

3 Christensen (BL)

3 Viney (Melb)

1 D. Beams (BL)

Spot on I reckon FWIW.

[Adam The God 30,259]

Roosy intimated we played like millionaires against Brisbane on AFL 360. 'You try the outside kick, you try the dinky little kick up over the top' etc. He went on to say he didn't like it. I thought that's exactly how we played against the Druggies too. We're too fancy at times. A few occasions where Hogan turned the ball over were those dinky little kicks and he's certainly not the only one. I also felt some of our players (forwards in particular) were a little too unselfish at times. If you're on 50 and there's not a team mate in the goal square by himself, you don't try finessing it through the eye of a needle to a team mate inside 50, you kick the bloody goal.

Edited July 21, 2015 by AdamFarr

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Roosy intimated we played like millionaires against Brisbane on AFL 360. 'You try the outside kick, you try the dinky little kick up over the top' etc. He went on to say he didn't like it. I thought that's exactly how we played against the Druggies too. We're too fancy at times. A few occasions where Hogan turned the ball over were those dinky little kicks and he's certainly not the only one. I also felt some of our players (forwards in particular) were a little too unselfish at times. If you're on 50 and there's not a team mate in the goal square by himself, you don't try finessing it through the eye of a needle to a team mate inside 50, you kick the bloody goal.

I'm not disagreeing, and not being a contrite pedant for the sake of it, but what you've just described can equally be described as selfish, me-first, undisciplined, non-team-based footy - the type we have been conplaining about and Roosy has been campaigning against. My point is just that there are two sides to everything, and just because the RESULT isn't preferable (eg a turnover, losing games of footy) it doesn't mean that the DECISION was incorrect, it was just executed poorly. Of course the bottom line is whether Roosy's instructions are being followed or not.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Roosy intimated we played like millionaires against Brisbane on AFL 360. 'You try the outside kick, you try the dinky little kick up over the top' etc. He went on to say he didn't like it.

I called it during the game. Garlett and Tyson were the worst offenders I thought.

[daisycutter 29,616]

I'm not disagreeing, and not being a contrite pedant for the sake of it, but what you've just described can equally be described as selfish, me-first, undisciplined, non-team-based footy - the type we have been conplaining about and Roosy has been campaigning against. My point is just that there are two sides to everything, and just because the RESULT isn't preferable (eg a turnover, losing games of footy) it doesn't mean that the DECISION was incorrect, it was just executed poorly. Of course the bottom line is whether Roosy's instructions are being followed or not.

actually three sides - mine, yours and the correct one

bottom line though, whichever choice you take, you also carry the responsibility to make it work , fail and expect a bollocking

[Je Roos Salem 661]

actually three sides - mine, yours and the correct one

bottom line though, whichever choice you take, you also carry the responsibility to make it work , fail and expect a bollocking

Bottom line is those centering passes rarely ever work and you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

[Jaded No More 68,915]

Roosy intimated we played like millionaires against Brisbane on AFL 360. 'You try the outside kick, you try the dinky little kick up over the top' etc. He went on to say he didn't like it. I thought that's exactly how we played against the Druggies too. We're too fancy at times. A few occasions where Hogan turned the ball over were those dinky little kicks and he's certainly not the only one. I also felt some of our players (forwards in particular) were a little too unselfish at times. If you're on 50 and there's not a team mate in the goal square by himself, you don't try finessing it through the eye of a needle to a team mate inside 50, you kick the bloody goal.

Can't stand this "lets not be selfish" in the forward 50 stuff

Too many players in a position to take a shot, and instead choose to handpass

If you're an AFL player and you find yourself inside 50 on a reasonable angle, you need to be able to kick the goal. Simple.

If you can't do that, you shouldn't go inside 50.

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Can't stand this "lets not be selfish" in the forward 50 stuff

Too many players in a position to take a shot, and instead choose to handpass

If you're an AFL player and you find yourself inside 50 on a reasonable angle, you need to be able to kick the goal. Simple.

If you can't do that, you shouldn't go inside 50.

I think Howe has at least one of those moments per game