Collingwood trade Lumumba and mid second round pick to North Melbourne for pick 15

Dees trade Picks 3, early second Rd'er & Mitch Clark to Collingwood for now Collingwoods pick 15

Adelaide trade Dangerfield and pick 10 to Melbourne

Melbourne then send Picks 2 and 15 back to Adelaide

Collingwood trade early 2nd Rd'er from Dees & Beams to Brisbane for Aish

Collingwood ontrade Aish to Adelaide

North Melbourne: Lose - Pick 15 > gain mid 2nd Rd'er & Lumumbaa

Adelaide: Lose - pick 10 & Dangerfiled > gain picks 2, 15 & Aish.

Brisbane: Lose - Aish > gain early 2nd Rd'er & Beams

Collingwood: Lose - Pick mid 2nd Rd'er, Beams & Lumumbaa >gain Picks 3 & Clark

Melbourne: Lose - Picks 2, 3, early 2nd Rd'er & Clark > gain Picks 10, 15 & Dangerfield.

I think this is fair for all and also allows for the Dees to then ontrade picks 10 or 15 in other trades

Some of you guys need to sleep occasionally. That makes my brain hurt

However. Many of you should play some/ more golf. Great conversations. Heard today that discussions are in place around Sean Atley. Not entirely happy (although contracted to end of 2015). Don't know much about him?

My realistic priorities for trades are as follows:

Ruck/Forward: Zac Clarke

Mature, running, skilled defender: Malceski, Suckling

Experienced cheap midfielder: Another Cross thanks but preferably someone slightly younger. Possibilities?

Young up and coming midfielder star: Another Tyson thanks (Shiel, Treloar, Mitchell please)

Key Defender: Frost

And I'd like to think it would be possible to add these five players and still maintain one of our top picks (2 or 3) assuming we get the 3. If we nabbed Shiel or Treloar I'd be open to using this pick on a tall despite the midfield, midfield, midfield focus of most on Demonland.

Roos met with James Gwilt today.

Source: James Gwilt

What draft picks do we have? Pick 2 and probably Pick 3, and?

Roos met with James Gwilt today.

Source: James Gwilt

That'd be alright, how do you know him?

Melbourne have been chasing Shiel for upwards of three end of seasons now.

He's long been rumoured to want to return home - a la Tyson - and Melbourne have the package (ie high end draft picks) to get it done.

Kid is a gun.

That'd be alright, how do you know him?

Mates cousin

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/melbourne-demons/melbourne-meets-delisted-saint-james-gwilt-20140911-10fpiq.html

If they met today as well it would appear Roos is very interested in picking him up. We'd use a pick in the PSD and trump the Giants surely? Not to mention very few would bother moving to another city to play football at that age.

EDIT: Or is he a delisted free agent? Can't keep up with these draft rules.

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DFA I think

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/melbourne-demons/melbourne-meets-delisted-saint-james-gwilt-20140911-10fpiq.html

EDIT: Or is he a delisted free agent? Can't keep up with these draft rules.

Yep, we'd just pick him up for nothing as a delisted free agent.

At this stage for me getting danger is a bonus and it isn't the end of the world right now of we don't.

Trade pick 2 to a team that wants McCartin (sorry saints, not) that could be to the Dogs for a player and their first rounder. Then float pick 3 around, see what it gets- if nothing take best available in draft.

Could net us 3 good players, then next year we have more pulling power to get a big name FA- maybe pressure Adelaide again to dislodge Tex or Sloan, or who knows what happens at Pies- maybe make a play for Pendles- he will be avail I think.

I'm all for going after the Ranger boys.

Haven't given this too much thought, but if Lumumba goes to North, would we be able to get a look at Shaun Atley? I see Lumumba being a very similar player, who might hold Atley back?? They'll offer Muller but I think Atley will be much better.

I understand why Roos is after a rebounding defender, we've really only got defensive players, at best Grimes is a defensive/rebounder rather than attacking rebounding (if that makes sense?).

Would Clark to Coll, Lumumba to Nth and Atley to us do? or would picks come into it?

I see Clark as being worth a pick around 18 - 22 with his recent history,,, otherwise he would be worth Pick-1, on his form of 2012.

Lamumba a good player, but best is past him. I would give up a pick around 35 - 40 to get him, otherwise we could do better to trade another flanker into our list.

we do need a ready made rebound flanker, but lets not get done-over again, by E' D MaGoo

My realistic priorities for trades are as follows:

Ruck/Forward: Zac Clarke

Mature, running, skilled defender: Malceski, Suckling

Experienced cheap midfielder: Another Cross thanks but preferably someone slightly younger. Possibilities?

Young up and coming midfielder star: Another Tyson thanks (Shiel, Treloar, Mitchell please)

Key Defender: Frost

And I'd like to think it would be possible to add these five players and still maintain one of our top picks (2 or 3) assuming we get the 3. If we nabbed Shiel or Treloar I'd be open to using this pick on a tall despite the midfield, midfield, midfield focus of most on Demonland.

please please ADD Jaksch into this list of yours. hope we offer him Good $$$ & a decent length contract (3 - 4) to get into Red & Blue.

Yep me too. as long as he cut off his hipster pony tail thing lol

I think he looks good as a forward, a little persistence and work with roos could do him wonders.

my Hawthorn supporting mate is please take Schoenmakers, please take Schoenmakers. A big worry.

my Hawthorn supporting mate is please take Schoenmakers, please take Schoenmakers. A big worry.

liked him in U-18's, not sure why he's struggling Now? but looks ordinary from the bits I saw recently.

However. Many of you should play some/ more golf. Great conversations. Heard today that discussions are in place around Sean Atley. Not entirely happy (although contracted to end of 2015). Don't know much about him?

Hbf with good pace and size. Haven't seen as much of him since his junior days, his kicking needed to be cleaned up back then. His kicking probably saw him drop down the order a bit in his draft year, but I think he's much more effective (and dangerous) by foot now.

Bit more of a current evaluation (from a supercoach perspective) of Atley here:

http://www.scpaige.com.au/value-picks-shaun-atley/

Would be a great fit for us, and still has plenty of improvement ahead of him.

How serious are discussions?

All this talk about recruiting big fish.. wouldn't surprise me if Roos brought in another 3 or 4 Aiden Riley/Viv Michie unknown types for dirt cheap.

Edited September 26, 201410 yr by Lamashtu

All this talk about recruiting big fish.. wouldn't surprise me if Roos brought in another 3 or 4 Aiden Riley/Viv Michie unknown types for dirt cheap.

I'm fairly confident we will sign at least 1 big fish. Every club has talked to us about trading pick 2 already. You would think, in terms of quality, we would at least get a Tom Mitchell type. It's about short term now; none of that re building [censored] we have been experiencing for the last 8 years.

Agreed that it could be one big fish and then a bunch of fringe players that other coaches aren't developing properly. Roos is acutely aware of talent at other clubs that are either being played in the wrong position, or left out of the team. GWS parting with Dom Tyson says it all, they clearly didn't rate him as highly as Roos, and they'd be regretting that trade now.

Roosy's comments the other day about supporters not wanting to wait 3 or 4 years for success, and wanting it right now, definitely suggests he's going to be ruthless and get this team up and running before he's out. His ego won't let him leave the club anywhere near the bottom 4.

Agreed that it could be one big fish and then a bunch of fringe players that other coaches aren't developing properly. Roos is acutely aware of talent at other clubs that are either being played in the wrong position, or left out of the team. GWS parting with Dom Tyson says it all, they clearly didn't rate him as highly as Roos, and they'd be regretting that trade now.

Roosy's comments the other day about supporters not wanting to wait 3 or 4 years for success, and wanting it right now, definitely suggests he's going to be ruthless and get this team up and running before he's out. His ego won't let him leave the club anywhere near the bottom 4.

I'm super keen on some of the gws players. I've read a bit that they want to try to spread the age across their list so i'd be floating pick 3 for a player such as Treloar, Hoskin-Elliot, Devon Smith, Shiel etc. if any of the them want to head back to Vic.

However. Many of you should play some/ more golf. Great conversations. Heard today that discussions are in place around Sean Atley. Not entirely happy (although contracted to end of 2015). Don't know much about him?

Atleys a gun, definitely worth a look in

I see Clark as being worth a pick around 18 - 22 with his recent history,,, otherwise he would be worth Pick-1, on his form of 2012.

Lamumba a good player, but best is past him. I would give up a pick around 35 - 40 to get him, otherwise we could do better to trade another flanker into our list.

Why is Lumumba past his best but Clark isn't considering they are the same age and Clark has hardly played for 3 years?

I think it would be a fair straight swap. At least Lumumba has a proven record of staying on the park unlike Clark.

Atleys a gun, definitely worth a look in

We should have already had him (or the Smith's) but we made the recruiting blunder of the century by picking up Cook. That [censored] Prendergast should be charged for bringing the game into disrepute with his drafting.

Why is Lumumba past his best but Clark isn't considering they are the same age and Clark has hardly played for 3 years?

I think it would be a fair straight swap. At least Lumumba has a proven record of staying on the park unlike Clark.

disagree, Clark has had One injury, but a serious one for any footballer... soft tissue complications after lack of work during the layoff. Clark can rag-doll other teams when onsong. up forward, or in the ruck.

Lamumba is a good ordinary running half back flanker. handy but doesn't rag doll opposition teams. At 27 yrs of age, only 6 months between them both, Lamumba won't get better but is getting distracted from his footy over the last 12 months. has he achieved enough???

Apart from the one long-term injury, Clark has been on the park. Its just that this one injury has been an Epic.

Lamumba has been more interested on other issues than Footy, & the Pies are trying to discard him, as they have many over the last couple of years ??? They have been into Danger quietly, & all of a sudden they want Beams to go Nth, so they can afford Dangerfields.

E 'D is into a quick major reVamp at Pies, and wants any with sharp edges gone... maybe worried about future competition for sponsors if things get even tighter.