Jordie has always tackled his ass off no matter who the coach is

Jordie is a huge in in the wet and I'm tipping he will tackle his arse off to impress Roos

To be an effective tackle the player mustn't be able to dispose of the ball. Would like to see that.

who else do we have?

That's the problem, isn't it?

Next week, Jamar.

Don't try logic with that guy. Its not worth your sanity.

Au contraire, Logic??

Well my friend "The eyes move, the mouth speaks but Mr.Brain has long since departed"

Really not that hard to work out is it. Pederson into the ruck with support of either Georgio or Mc Donald and lets face it in wet slippery conditions its all about contested ball at a lot of stoppages. Break even in the ruck ( something Spencer was not capable of doing last week) he got absolutely slaughtered, so you wont lose much by not playing him and after all he takes bugger all marks around the ground and in the wet will be a liability.

Re jig back half slightly so that my plan can work and you hope we can win our share of stoppages and move ball quickly to Dawes, Watts, Dunne and whoever. Dunne once kicked Ten goals I think it was for Casey in the wet so why not give the Fence Idea a shot??

Logic my friend??? well at 0-3 zip lets try a little Edmund Blackadder "Out of left field Logic"

"A plan so cunning you could brush your teeth with it"

That's the problem, isn't it?

Next week, Jamar.

All three of them would not have bothered if the plan with Mitch came off.

I see that we're well behind on clearance numbers, inside 50s and scoring shots. The first two stats are misleading and slanted in our favour because of our short kicking, possession game.

yeah fair call except i wouldn't call 42-49 inside-50s (six-sevenths) 'well behind' .. 3 out of every 7 clearances is not THAT bad either... clutching at straws?

How spencil gets a game after having his opponent get 60 Hitouts is totally mystifying!!!

Get Pedo and or Georgio in Ruck as it will be wet and bring in another in and under! Jetta desperately unlucky not to get a gig, should have replaced Bail.

I reckon Jetta deserves another crack, sadly it's not possible from the rokie list.

Nev doesn't mind the bruises.

yeah fair call except i wouldn't call 42-49 inside-50s (six-sevenths) 'well behind' .. 3 out of every 7 clearances is not THAT bad either... clutching at straws?

Haha, maybe. We're ranked 18th for clearances, aren't we? There's certainly a modicum of improvement from last year, but we are coming from so far back, you'd bloody hope so.

Haha, maybe. We're ranked 18th for clearances, aren't we? There's certainly a modicum of improvement from last year, but we are coming from so far back, you'd bloody hope so.

Surely you don't mean we were worse than 18th for clearances last year! Even if it felt like it.

It's funny reading the delusion on here. Hope is all great, but delusion is, well, just that. You all realise we're the worst AFL team of the last 30 years, don't you? It would be the upset of a generation, and just isn't gonna happen.

Webber, we're struggling but we're not the worst AFL team of the last 30 years. By the end of the year, we won't even be the worst team of 2014. We're a better team than the past two years and we will only get better as we get some players back and come to terms with the demands of Roos and his gameplan.

Agree with Goodvibes.

At a pinch I'd say Melbourne of 2008, Melbourne of 2009 and Melbourne of 2013 are all worse than Melbourne of 2014. I'd also add GWS of 2012 and GWS of 2013.

Straight kicking would have won us Round 1, and the confidence from Round 1 would have helped us win Round 3 (in which we were just 1 point down at the start of the fourth). Round 2 was bad, yes, but that was the norm in the years I mentioned above.

Neither coach is really "under the pump" when you think about the context of the teams' situations.''

Are you kidding? Roos obviously isn't, but if Carlton loses today, Malthouse couldn't be under a bigger pump.

He was brought in to have Carlton in premiership contention by 2014. If instead they find themselves 0-4 on the bottom of the ladder having just lost to Melbourne, the wooden spoon favourites, how much further off from what they expected and demanded could they be?