To make a professional footballer play and look like a professional at the Melbourne Football Club.

As a reasonable thinking person I am unable to fathom why most of our professional listed players are so far behind their brothers at other football clubs. It is simply quite unbelievable the difference in how our players go about their craft compared to other teams.

Watching Port Adelaide and the Giants are just 2 examples of a similar age group of players and there is a Grand Canyon difference in their application towards their craft compared to our list.

Our list have just given up and that is an indictment on them as individuals. They should be made to watch the passion of Port Adelaide as an example of applying yourself to your club - the club who pays your livelihood.

These young men at our club have very little respect in the football world and it is them who can decide their future, not the coach, not the supporters, them!!

Pj, Roos and Walsh won't hurt our chances.

To make a professional footballer play and look like a professional at the Melbourne Football Club.

As a reasonable thinking person I am unable to fathom why most of our professional listed players are so far behind their brothers at other football clubs. It is simply quite unbelievable the difference in how our players go about their craft compared to other teams.

Watching Port Adelaide and the Giants are just 2 examples of a similar age group of players and there is a Grand Canyon difference in their application towards their craft compared to our list.

Our list have just given up and that is an indictment on them as individuals. They should be made to watch the passion of Port Adelaide as an example of applying yourself to your club - the club who pays your livelihood.

These young men at our club have very little respect in the football world and it is them who can decide their future, not the coach, not the supporters, them!!

IMO most of them have shown their worth.

The professionals you want will hopefully appear over the next 3 - 4 seasons as the majority of this list is replaced.

To make a professional footballer play and look like a professional at the Melbourne Football Club.

a f******n miracle apparently !!!

a f******n miracle apparently !!!

Now that is an option I had not considered.

Any suggestions were my prayers should be directed bb?

Now that is an option I had not considered.

Any suggestions were my prayers should be directed bb?

Hard to know OD.. Normally id suggest to im above...but given we"re all about , you know, the life below and that devil stuff, well you have me in a quandary.

May I suggest broadcast your prayers to anyone who will listen !!!

To make a professional footballer play and look like a professional at the Melbourne Football Club.

As a reasonable thinking person I am unable to fathom why most of our professional listed players are so far behind their brothers at other football clubs. It is simply quite unbelievable the difference in how our players go about their craft compared to other teams.

Watching Port Adelaide and the Giants are just 2 examples of a similar age group of players and there is a Grand Canyon difference in their application towards their craft compared to our list.

Our list have just given up and that is an indictment on them as individuals. They should be made to watch the passion of Port Adelaide as an example of applying yourself to your club - the club who pays your livelihood.

These young men at our club have very little respect in the football world and it is them who can decide their future, not the coach, not the supporters, them!!

this attitude was there thru 2001 - 2007... I remember well yelling out for White to crack in, to a pack... or for Yze to tackle, for Robbo to chase & keep his feet, for Davey to actually tackle & bring someone to ground. etc, etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_AFL_season#Ladder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_AFL_season#Ladder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_AFL_season#Ladder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_AFL_season#Ladder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_AFL_season#Ladder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_AFL_season#Ladder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_AFL_season#Ladder

the laziness was there all the time, lack of discipline, no aggression, poor fitness, the list goes on...

we had talent in these players but they ran the club. & this is why we kept promising but never delivered.

when the rebuild was required, we messed it up, again.

By the thread title, I thought it was another discussion about Bomber supplements...

To make a professional footballer play and look like a professional at the Melbourne Football Club.

As a reasonable thinking person I am unable to fathom why most of our professional listed players are so far behind their brothers at other football clubs. It is simply quite unbelievable the difference in how our players go about their craft compared to other teams.

Watching Port Adelaide and the Giants are just 2 examples of a similar age group of players and there is a Grand Canyon difference in their application towards their craft compared to our list.

Our list have just given up and that is an indictment on them as individuals. They should be made to watch the passion of Port Adelaide as an example of applying yourself to your club - the club who pays your livelihood.

These young men at our club have very little respect in the football world and it is them who can decide their future, not the coach, not the supporters, them!!

Good thread, I agree with Demonfan, I think PJ and Walsh is a step in the right direction.

Another pre-season into Jack Viney is exactly what we need, thank god for Viney.

Hard to know OD.. Normally id suggest to im above...but given we"re all about , you know, the life below and that devil stuff, well you have me in a quandary.

May I suggest broadcast your prayers to anyone who will listen !!!

Tried that bb for the last ten years with zero result.

I think the only one left is Allah

I am told he is great and I am desperate

Now which way is north west

I would say that when we have a club that isn't run by faux motivational speakers, stooge administrators appointed by their mates and blokes who would look at home on Downton Abbey, we might have a decent shot. Some may say, and fairly too I might add, that administrators don't run out onto the ground. I will add a piece of advice an old mentor gave me about teaching: Don't ever ask kids to do what you aren't prepared to do. How could our club, until recently, have asked the playing group to work hard and be diligent when they were prepared to take the mother of all shortcuts (tanking) to achieve easy success?

I would say that when we have a club that isn't run by faux motivational speakers, stooge administrators appointed by their mates and blokes who would look at home on Downton Abbey, we might have a decent shot. Some may say, and fairly too I might add, that administrators don't run out onto the ground. I will add a piece of advice an old mentor gave me about teaching: Don't ever ask kids to do what you aren't prepared to do. How can our club, until recently, have asked the playing group to work hard and be diligent when they were prepared to take the mother of all shortcuts (tanking) to achieve easy success?

Nailed it in one go CBF...This is why i want Jack Watts to still be on our list next year.

The club has set a shocking example & meekly vacated in silence.

We need more players like Viney. Every new player we get has to be a killer. Somebody who would stand on their mothers face to get the football. This is what is wrong with our club we keep recruiting nice boys.

We need more players like Viney. Every new player we get has to be a killer. Somebody who would stand on their mothers face to get the football. This is what is wrong with our club we keep recruiting nice boys.

Choir boys I have been saying that for 10 years FD

A new team!

The current guys are simply awful.

A new team!

The current guys are simply awful.

It is going to take 3 -4 years to make the swap over TBF.

Can you go the distance?

IMO most of them have shown their worth.

The professionals you want will hopefully appear over the next 3 - 4 seasons as the majority of this list is replaced.

Oh I hope so Old Dee. Just the 3-4 more seasons is a killer for us supporters

Lets hope Rebuild Version 3.0 works this time.

Oh I hope so Old Dee. Just the 3-4 more seasons is a killer for us supporters

Lets hope Rebuild Version 3.0 works this time.

It is good night nurse if it doesn't

No substitute for determination, the belief losing and failure are not an option.

No substitute for determination, the belief losing and failure are not an option.

How come you follow the Dees Df26?

I grew up there but a long time ago now.

Geelong, Carlton and Hawthorn are the big ones up there.

Considered leaving for Carlton in the seventies when we were crap ( sound familiar )

and it was Carlton's zone and they were winning flags and Bendigo players held a number of spots in the team.

Youre only allowed to change teams up til the age of 7 I reckon. After that its a lock , for better or for worse.

Be interesting to experience that "better" concept !!

How come you follow the Dees Df26?

I grew up there but a long time ago now.

Geelong, Carlton and Hawthorn are the big ones up there.

Considered leaving for Carlton in the seventies when we were crap ( sound familiar )

and it was Carlton's zone and they were winning flags and Bendigo players held a number of spots in the team.

I am only 22 so i wasn't around in the 70's but i probably started following football in about 98 and my mother was an Essedon fan and father was Collingwood, i wanted a team that was neither, and i loved the spirit and passion of the Demon fans at a game i went to against Richmond, just fell in love with the club, the fact we were a strong team around that time probably helped also,

met Gary Lyon and Jimmy stynes at a football clinic and decided after that i wanted to follow the Dees and never really doubted it since, although now it's frustrating at times i feel as thought a flag down the track would make all this worth keeping faith in.

I am only 22 so i wasn't around in the 70's but i probably started following football in about 98 and my mother was an Essedon fan and father was Collingwood, i wanted a team that was neither, and i loved the spirit and passion of the Demon fans at a game i went to against Richmond, just fell in love with the club, the fact we were a strong team around that time probably helped also,

met Gary Lyon and Jimmy stynes at a football clinic and decided after that i wanted to follow the Dees and never really doubted it since, although now it's frustrating at times i feel as thought a flag down the track would make all this worth keeping faith in.

It is not too late to change Df26!

Should have hung in with your Mum mate way less pain.

Only joking but you will need a will of steel.

You will be around if we make it to the next decade

It is not too late to change Df26!

Should have hung in with your Mum mate way less pain.

Only joking but you will need a will of steel.

You will be around if we make it to the next decade

I hope so, i really have no idea what i'd do if we folded or something like that, also one of the past players is a close family friend of ours so that i think would have been a big part of my choice.

I hope so, i really have no idea what i'd do if we folded or something like that, also one of the past players is a close family friend of ours so that i think would have been a big part of my choice.

You have many years to go, so I hope you would find another team.

For me it would be goodbye AFL.

Amos for me where I spend a little time now.

However the Dees will hopefully continue on