OUT: Abbott IN: Turnbull

[mauriesy 7,357]

Furnival may not have committed a crime, but he's misused his position dreadfully. Conflict of interest up to the eyeballs.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Furnival may not have committed a crime, but he's misused his position dreadfully. Conflict of interest up to the eyeballs.

I agree and I hope that he suffers the consequences; I'm not sure what they could be but I hope he has no further contact with the Liberal Government.

I also expect that Nash will be hauled over the coals if she was duped by him in to believing that he was no longer connected to the company, or sacked from the ministry if she lied about the matter.

I don't understand why Hardtack would try to equate Thompson and Furnival/Nash unless it was a feeble attempt at t!t for tat. Yeah, I guess it was.

[nutbean 8,838]

corruption is corruption.

Some sends to you the slammer - some makes you resign your post ( either with feigned dignity or in disgrace).

Neither side of politics, the left or the right is immuned.

[Guest]

I remember many years ago on a website run by a US Democrat that I read the following joke (it could be applied to any Tory who runs foul of the law):

Republican terminonology:
(SNIP)

Democrat: A Republican who has been arrested.

[hardtack 10,626]

Unlike you I believe criminals should be punished and if he's committed a crime then I hope he goes to the slammer to spend some time with Thompson. You must be terribly disappointed that Thommo was found guilty.

Not at all... he got what he deserved... would be interested to know your thoughts on that other report.

Edit: saw them and your snide remark... ok

Edited February 18, 2014 by hardtack

[Earl Hood 6,101]

There you go Hoody, it's all kosher now.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/craig-thomson-found-guilty-of-fraud-theft-charges-20140218-32xay.html

We now know he is a thief, that's if we didn't know before.

Fair cop Robbie. I never defended him but I did reserve my judgement based on the reasonable, I thought, thinking that someone who has run fast and loose with their Union credit card and no doubt other dubious practices would not then put their hand up for a Federal seat in Parliament and then not expect to go under the " former life"microscope as they all do!

The best course for Craig should have been to move into the Super financial management industry where you can do everything he did do but to an even higher level with little chance of being detected.

We can surmise from this is that our Craig is not the sharpest tool in the shed and From the evidence I have seen, I think that is a fair assessment.

[daisycutter 29,738]

Fair cop Robbie. I never defended him but I did reserve my judgement based on the reasonable, I thought, thinking that someone who has run fast and loose with their Union credit card and no doubt other dubious practices would not then put their hand up for a Federal seat in Parliament and then not expect to go under the " former life"microscope as they all do!

The best course for Craig should have been to move into the Super financial management industry where you can do everything he did do but to an even higher level with little chance of being detected.

We can surmise from this is that our Craig is not the sharpest tool in the shed and From the evidence I have seen, I think that is a fair assessment.

so he is just a fool who got caught, not a thief and liar? hmmmm

[Earl Hood 6,101]

Hood,

God these blokes are absolute debate cowards. They can be as petty and abusive as they like and will call you idiotic, stupid and moronic but if you dare say anything that goes against their waffle then you are mocking them and being impolite.

No wonder these blokes hated Keating. He basically called them out for what they are without being apologetic about it. It's all fun and games when they get to hop into migrants, welfare recipients, single mothers and people from the LGBT community but when the shoe is on the other foot then we need to call up the war crimes commission in the Hague 'cos that is unacceptable.

Thanks for your thoughts Colin. I think we just have to keep having these discussions and try to keep on topic and not get personal. That would be nice for a change.

[Earl Hood 6,101]

so he is just a fool who got caught, not a thief and liar? hmmmm

I give up DC. No you are right he is the pure evil, unlike anything we have rarely seen it before?

Now the thousands of other Craig's and Craigetts who have done exactly the same through out small and large businesses over many years, usually because they have drug or gambling addictions. What are we to do with them I wonder?

Of course one of the issues here is any malfeasance with Unions which must be dealt with, these days via a Royal Commission of course but other malfeasance in small business for instance, that is just one of those things. Double standards? Never of course.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I give up DC. No you are right he is the pure evil, unlike anything we have rarely seen it before?

Now the thousands of other Craig's and Craigetts who have done exactly the same through out small and large businesses over many years, usually because they have drug or gambling addictions. What are we to do with them I wonder?

Of course one of the issues here is any malfeasance with Unions which must be dealt with, these days via a Royal Commission of course but other malfeasance in small business for instance, that is just one of those things. Double standards? Never of course.

I give up too, the fact that the majority of all the politicians that finish up serving a sentence in jail are from the Labor Party, seems to mean nothing to you.

I'm not talking about a milk bar owner who duds a customer out of $2, or a shoddy plumber who charges double the rate; I'm talking about the elected officials of this country who are expected to have higher standards.

That seems too hard for you to understand. You also fail to understand that the training ground for the Labor Party is the union movement and this is why so many of them turn out crooked, they learn their trade early. Don't you want the Unions cleaned up; don't you want the officials to stop ripping off their members? It would appear not, you seem to condone the theft of workers contributions.

If you were in Parliament and they had a minister for excuses you'd be eminently qualified.

[hardtack 10,626]

I give up too, the fact that the majority of all the politicians that finish up serving a sentence in jail are from the Labor Party, seems to mean nothing to you.

Actually, depending on whether you count Libs and Nats as one group, you will get 8 labour politicians given jail terms versus 5 Nats and 3 Libs.

[Earl Hood 6,101]

I give up too, the fact that the majority of all the politicians that finish up serving a sentence in jail are from the Labor Party, seems to mean nothing to you.

I'm not talking about a milk bar owner who duds a customer out of $2, or a shoddy plumber who charges double the rate; I'm talking about the elected officials of this country who are expected to have higher standards.

That seems too hard for you to understand. You also fail to understand that the training ground for the Labor Party is the union movement and this is why so many of them turn out crooked, they learn their trade early. Don't you want the Unions cleaned up; don't you want the officials to stop ripping off their members? It would appear not, you seem to condone the theft of workers contributions.

If you were in Parliament and they had a minister for excuses you'd be eminently qualified.

Well how many then? What is the split of numbers? Old Joe, Askin, Brian Burke. Those three were as bad as each other but I think it was only Brian who did time. Craig is in trouble but how many others are doing time apart from Obeid and co?

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Well how many then? What is the split of numbers? Old Joe, Askin, Brian Burke. Those three were as bad as each other but I think it was only Brian who did time. Craig is in trouble but how many others are doing time apart from Obeid and co?

Milton Orkopoulos Labor NSW 33 counts, including child sex and drug offences 13 years and 8 months (non-parole period 9 years)

Keith Wright Labor Qld child sex offences 8 years (non-parole period 4 years), paroled after 5½ years

Bill D'arcy Labor NSW child sex offences 11 years (non-parole period 7 years)

Merri Rose Labor NSW extortion 1.5 years

Gordon Nuttall Lbor NSW Corruption, receiving secret commissions, theft 15 years (non-parole period 10 years)

Andrew Theophanous ALP politician sentenced in 2002 to 6 years' jail for bribery and fraud.

These are the more serious ones, both parties have had their share of drink driving etc. and there have been no serious charges against coalition members for at least 15 years.

NSW Labor Eddie Obeid and Ian MacDonald are currently facing charges for corruption and accepting bribes.

http://www.smh.com.a...0731-2qygq.html

http://www.news.com....r-1111114504835

Former ALP President Michael Williamson

http://www.theaustra...f-1226487855533

That's a start.

And of course Craig.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Actually, depending on whether you count Libs and Nats as one group, you will get 8 labour politicians given jail terms versus 5 Nats and 3 Libs.

Care to elaborate.

[daisycutter 29,738]

I give up DC. No you are right he is the pure evil, unlike anything we have rarely seen it before?

Now the thousands of other Craig's and Craigetts who have done exactly the same through out small and large businesses over many years, usually because they have drug or gambling addictions. What are we to do with them I wonder?

Of course one of the issues here is any malfeasance with Unions which must be dealt with, these days via a Royal Commission of course but other malfeasance in small business for instance, that is just one of those things. Double standards? Never of course.

why do you always have to go off topic and into [censored] for tat arguments?

no i don't think he is pure evil - just a thief and liar who couldn't fall on his sword when caught red handed

his inability to do the right thing kept julia in power

i couldn't understand your previous post which seemed to trivialise his actions and poke fun at it with references to super funds

you reserved your judgement based on "the reasonable"? give me a break hoody, were you blind?

[hardtack 10,626]

Care to elaborate.

What's to elaborate on? You claimed "majority of all the politicians that finish up serving a sentence in jail are from the Labor Party" and I am simply stating the fact that a total of 8 Labour politicians have been given jail terms and a total of 8 Lib/Nat politicians have been given jail terms... you're welcome to search the information... I found it in a matter of minutes with a basic Google search.

[DemonFrog 1,356]

Hey Frog,

Here is a blast from the past. Not about Abbott but about his mentor.

Honest John LOL

I loved it when he not only lost an election but also his own seat.

Now that guy should be put in jail with his criminal mates.

[Guest]

Actually, depending on whether you count Libs and Nats as one group, you will get 8 labour politicians given jail terms versus 5 Nats and 3 Libs.

I wonder if Robbie has ever heard of the Fitzgerald Commission? Wasn't that dotted with Labor luminaries!

[DemonFrog 1,356]

I wonder if Robbie has ever heard of the Fitzgerald Commission? Wasn't that dotted with Labor luminaries!

But Queensland was run by a bunch of honest Nat/Lib.

ROFLMAO

[mauriesy 7,357]

Ray O'Connor

Wayde Smith

Michael Cobb

Andrew Olexander

Tony Packard

Barry Morris

Brian Austin

Leisha Harvey

Geoff Muntz

Don Lane

Henry Bolte would have joined that list if he didn't have a friend in pathology.

Every party has had its share of crooks.

[hardtack 10,626]

Ray O'Connor

Wayde Smith

Michael Cobb

Andrew Olexander

Tony Packard

Barry Morris

Brian Austin

Leisha Harvey

Geoff Muntz

Don Lane

Henry Bolte would have joined that list if he didn't have a friend in pathology.

Every party has had its share of crooks.

And now we have three NSW Liberal MPs being suspended after being named in an ICAC enquiry over corruption

"Former energy minister Chris Hartcher and other central coast MPs Chris Spence and Darren Webber have been suspended from the NSW Liberal Party after being named in two major corruption inquiries."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liberal-mps-suspended-over-corruption-probe-20140219-32z6g.html#ixzz2timL6POR

Yep, as pure as the driven snow!

Edited February 19, 2014 by hardtack

[Guest]

And now we have three NSW Liberal MPs being suspended after being named in an ICAC enquiry over corruption

"Former energy minister Chris Hartcher and other central coast MPs Chris Spence and Darren Webber have been suspended from the NSW Liberal Party after being named in two major corruption inquiries."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liberal-mps-suspended-over-corruption-probe-20140219-32z6g.html#ixzz2timL6POR

Yep, as clean as the driven snow!

Yep, all lefties are evil and anyone on the right is someone we should all aspire to be.

In fact, fast forward :32 into the next video and you will see the future that will come to pass should anything that doesn't encourage baseless greed, insane cruelty or women staying barefoot and pregnant gain prevalence in the cultural zeitgeist.

The return of the Soviet Union

Edited February 19, 2014 by Colin B. Flaubert

[P-man 13,366]

I think we can all agree that anyone associated with the Labor Party or the Trade Unions is a perverted, corrupt, kiddy fiddler.

[dpositive 1,684]

I think we can all agree that anyone associated with the Labor Party or the Trade Unions is a perverted, corrupt, kiddy fiddler.

While those from established religions or business luminaries are not!

[Earl Hood 6,101]

why do you always have to go off topic and into [censored] for tat arguments?

no i don't think he is pure evil - just a thief and liar who couldn't fall on his sword when caught red handed

his inability to do the right thing kept julia in power

i couldn't understand your previous post which seemed to trivialise his actions and poke fun at it with references to super funds

you reserved your judgement based on "the reasonable"? give me a break hoody, were you blind?

DC I agree I over reacted to your post. I admit some of my comments were inappropriate. I apologise.

Yes Mr Thomson is now a convicted thief and liar and someone who would not fall on their sword. but those people are quite rare, don't you think. And add to that I think he is a fool who thought he could get way with it all. That I suppose was my point, how can these guys be so stupid, that is what amazes me?

I also downplayed his nefarious activities because they fell into the soft white collar crime area, often deemed to have no specific victims. That is something that I think many of us do. I get very aggro at crimes of violence against the weak but not so much against your classic con artist, extortionist types.