I hear from someone that he tends to get himself in the right position but exploits his size.

Sounds like a footballer.

I'm sick of hearing oh he may just be good because he's big among kids. We got Cook thinking he would develop and he hasn't. Just go for the here and now, Hogan's big now so get him. No point hoping a skinny kid gets bigger.

I'm sick of hearing oh he may just be good because he's big among kids. We got Cook thinking he would develop and he hasn't. Just go for the here and now, Hogan's big now so get him. No point hoping a skinny kid gets bigger.

Lets not analyse our options.

Lets just pick the kids from biggest to smallest in the draft in descending order.

Hogan is currently playing for Claremont in the Colts' preliminary final vs. East Fremantle.

It's half-time and he's had 13 disposals, seven marks and a goal.

http://www.wafl.com.au/games/view/9414

I'm sick of hearing oh he may just be good because he's big among kids. We got Cook thinking he would develop and he hasn't. Just go for the here and now, Hogan's big now so get him. No point hoping a skinny kid gets bigger.

Yep and he will already have the confidence in his body, which you'd think would take less time to project to senior footy than someone with a body like Cook.

That is why I would be tempted to try and do a deal to get both picks. If we gave pick 4 and a player or two with one being a ruckman, that could get the deal done. Lets say we could steer Martin or Spencer to GWS and say Petterd or Bate or both. GWS need some hard bodies and most importantly need a ruckman even more so if Giles walks. If this sort of deal eventuated, we would have to be patient, as we would have two potential guns coming in a year to add to that year's first round pick. We could still get Toumpas or Grundy at 3, someone good at 13 and JV later. Pick 13 and a player could still be used to deal with GC for some of their mids. We also have salary cap room to target FA's. We would be in a strong position to really change the list.

Redleg that's a fare scinario for all involved when the afl set up this mini draft system it was to help gws recruit mature players not draft picks. I'm a big fan of Martin and hogan would certainly be a bonus if he comes on as a big pack marking forward. As you pointed out we would still have two first round draft picks in a strong draft plus the best inside mid in viney could well be a great outcome especially if (and thats a very big if because we are the worst development club in thr league by a country mile right now) we can develop 2 potential top 5 draft picks of which we are lacking in classy mid and strong kpf we will be huge winners

He's absolutely destroying it. 16 disposals, 8 marks and 2 goals after 7 minutes of the third quarter.

EDIT: I can't keep up! 20 disposals, 9 marks and 3 goals.

Edited September 16, 201213 yr by Deers

I recall stating to people before both Hurley and Darling were drafted, that they were unlikely to succeed at AFL level because they used their bigger bodies to monster kids, and wouldn't be able to do the same against men.

How wrong I was on both counts.

A player like Josh Toy is an EXCEPTION to the rule.

Get Hogan.

His big body won't be as much of a problem, ie. dominating against the smaller kids then struggling in the big league. If we did draft him, he would have an entire year to build up even bigger, play against bigger bodies in the VFL, as well as training against some AFL seasoned bodies at the Dees training throughout the year (in particular Frawley).

Come the start of 2014 (if we were to get him) he would be so far ahead of where he would be if he was taken in the 2013 draft, or compared to a Watts/Cook type developing KPF.

I'd love him at the Dees, but i would only give up pick #4 for him, as no other team would beat that for the #2 MD pick.

Not sure how long it'll take, but hopefully this match will appear on http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/sport in the next few days.

Dying to have another good look at this kid.

Not sure how long it'll take, but hopefully this match will appear on http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/sport in the next few days.

Dying to have another good look at this kid.

Sorry, correction - didn't realise it was Colts.

People need to remember you trade for the pick number in the MD not the player. If we seriously want him we need to obtain pick 1 in the MD. How could you be sure that if GC or another club obtained pick 1 that they would not use it on Hogan instead of Martin?

I am looking at Hogan's stats in the WAFL game and am drooling at the thought of this kid being a dee.

Edited September 16, 201213 yr by cowboy_from_hell

Martin or Josh Kelly wouldn't be so much of a loss.

But point taken.

According to rumour, GWS want picks, while GC have enough decent KPP prospects so would be aiming for a mid.

I doubt any other team will come up with a deal that GWS would prefer to pick 3 or 4.

Hogan finished on 24 possessions, 10 marks, 19 kicks and 4 goals, plus 136 DT points.

As for not having the same physical advantage at AFL level ? He's not a slow bullocking key forward that is rag dolling skinny kids. He's a big agile aggressive key forward with excellent pace, who can also go into the midfield. His traits translate anywhere.

He's a gun and we must get him. Whatever it takes.

Edited September 16, 201213 yr by Ben-Hur

Shame about Claremont losing. Regardless, if that's the last we see of Hogan on the field this year, then he's left on a very strong note.

People need to remember you trade for the pick number in the MD not the player. If we seriously want him we need to obtain pick 1 in the MD. How could you be sure that if GC or another club obtained pick 1 that they would not use it on Hogan instead of Martin?

I thought you were trading a pick for the right to select a specific player

Viney,Clarke,Hogan and Jones. We will have some hard as nails players very soon.

I thought you were trading a pick for the right to select a specific player

Nah you trade for pick 1 or pick 2 then its is a "draft" of 2 picks

but generally it is known who will pick who, or even pick 1 will be picked before pick 2 is basically sold

People need to remember you trade for the pick number in the MD not the player. If we seriously want him we need to obtain pick 1 in the MD. How could you be sure that if GC or another club obtained pick 1 that they would not use it on Hogan instead of Martin?

Say we were to trade for MD pick 2 - pick 1 will probably be Jack Martin but if Hogan is taken there I think we will end up pretty happy with Martin, he is an absolute jet.

Say we were to trade for MD pick 2 - pick 1 will probably be Jack Martin but if Hogan is taken there I think we will end up pretty happy with Martin, he is an absolute jet.

Especially when we only pay the price for pick 2 either of them will be great value

People need to remember you trade for the pick number in the MD not the player. If we seriously want him we need to obtain pick 1 in the MD. How could you be sure that if GC or another club obtained pick 1 that they would not use it on Hogan instead of Martin?

Because Jack Martin is the clear #1 choice this year, just like O'Meara was last year, but we need another bullocking KPF as highlighted by Mitch going down this season.

I'd take Hogan over martin. We need Hogan and a player like him doesn't come around that often. Martin is very good but if we did take him we would have to pick up another KPP and hope they fill out and develop.

Because Jack Martin is the clear #1 choice this year, just like O'Meara was last year, but we need another bullocking KPF as highlighted by Mitch going down this season.

I really like Martin, but give me a dominant 10 year key CHF over any skillful mid.

Who says he is the clear choice? HUN and Big Footy?