So you think Viney is slow ?

If you haven't seen him play why comment ? And if you have give up posting.

. Fair enough I've only seen tv and thats my impression. OK take out my analysis as worthless and it leaves you with yawn how many times has a supporter chat group reckoned there s a saviour coming in the form of one player. Dont know about 'Land but the last one on Ology was Scullgrove and before that Watts. I've seen them play and seen the rebirth they've led. How many games the Clark win for MFC? Take a realism pill before you post again

. Fair enough I've only seen tv and thats my impression. OK take out my analysis as worthless and it leaves you with yawn how many times has a supporter chat group reckoned there s a saviour coming in the form of one player. Dont know about 'Land but the last one on Ology was Scullgrove and before that Watts. I've seen them play and seen the rebirth they've led. How many games the Clark win for MFC? Take a realism pill before you post again

Talking about realism with BH is like talking about negativity to Tony Abbot. Seriously, read a bit before you pot one of the best commentators about the game/club on the site.

. Fair enough I've only seen tv and thats my impression. OK take out my analysis as worthless and it leaves you with yawn how many times has a supporter chat group reckoned there s a saviour coming in the form of one player. Dont know about 'Land but the last one on Ology was Scullgrove and before that Watts. I've seen them play and seen the rebirth they've led. How many games the Clark win for MFC? Take a realism pill before you post again

BH is going to tear strips off you mate....

BH is going to tear strips off you mate....

LOL at how you think you are in a position to tell people when their posts make no sense...

LOL at how you think you are in a position to tell people when their posts make no sense...

Do tell Mr. Anus You see positives in 2012. We all sit in different chairs.

I call things as i aee them.

Crikey. I guess one bloke is going to make all the difference after all,which quite clearly was point. ”..my bad" as they say. This is the first time since the Tour de France I 've put in any serious time on this board. I guess it takes a while until you know who is a genius and who to ignore . I see myself in the misunderstood generalist category. And for the record I reckon BH's opening post in this thread is spot on

My Elton John line was deleted? Aw come on man, that pearl would've broken the like button limit!

I was considering the STFU line myself DA ...its worked on me before

My Elton John line was deleted? Aw come on man, that pearl would've broken the like button limit!

Only because the chain of posts it referenced got the flick. Your line was bloody hilarious.

Great players play well in great sides........

The club, the media and the supporters, expecting a teenager to carry this club to a premiership?

That's the real joke.......

Jack Watts has been carrying 50 years of desperation, on his shoulders since he's arrived at the club....

Without leaders this club is nothing..... Regardless of who we add....

Blame Jack Watts if you want too.... But the real problem is the fact that we expected him save us, instead of us saving ourselves......

He's a kid...... Nic Nat has champions around him to guide him through tough matches...... Who's Jack had? Moloney....McLean....hahaha what a joke......

Jack Watts could walk in to any other club in the league, and become a superstar of the AFL...... Because there he wouldn't have to carry the whole club.......

For me Jack is one of the few Glimmers we have left....

To add to this post, when first year players walk into a club they are given a player to mentor them through the process, at the least providing an example for the youngster to follow.

This player usually comes in the form of somebody who plays in the same position, has a few years under his belt and has established themselves as a key player in the side.

Michael Hurley would have been able to look up to Matthew Lloyd seeing the hard work he puts in, Naitanui could have followed Dean Cox around for his first year yet all the while, and I know this for a fact, our new hope Wattsy had none other than Juice Newton as his mentor. Imagine walking into a club and having Brad Miller and Michael Newton as the key forwards he's supposed to learn off, the kid never stood a chance.

Only because the chain of posts it referenced got the flick. Your line was bloody hilarious.

It's all good, thought those posts might get the mop.

Jack Watts needs to learn how to be a mongrel in the Pre-season!!!! Kid has skills but that's about it.

My Elton John line was deleted? Aw come on man, that pearl would've broken the like button limit!

Sorry mate, guess that was my fault.

Your joke was gold. At least some of us got to witness it.

Sorry mate, guess that was my fault.

Your joke was gold. At least some of us got to witness it.

And had I not pushed the envelope, it would never have been told!

And had I not pushed the envelope, it would never have been told!

You are out of control RR. You're now taking credit for other people's jokes? Wherever you go EGO's huh!!

You are out of control RR. You're now taking credit for other people's jokes? Wherever you go EGO's huh!!

You weren't there Stuie. Back in your box boy.

You weren't there Stuie. Back in your box boy.

I was there mate, I read all the jokes, both funny and unfunny, offensive and more offensive, was a good crack, but even you couldn't claim credit mate surely...

I was there mate, I read all the jokes, both funny and unfunny, offensive and more offensive, was a good crack, but even you couldn't claim credit mate surely...

I'm not going to get into get into an argument over this, Stu. Let's spare a thought for the other readers eh.

I'm not going to get into get into an argument over this, Stu. Let's spare a thought for the other readers eh.

Good to see you're settling down RR.

Good to see you're settling down RR.

Very little chance of that, Stu. There's still a lot of cattle prodding to be done.

I say trade anyone if we can replace them with a better prospect

I say trade anyone if we can replace them with a better prospect

Totally agree. Rarely get a trade that works that way though.

Stu, your ability to process what's happening on the footy field right before your eyes is disturbingly poor. I'm not sure what your day job is but I wouldn't be leaving it any time soon.

My football views have evolved over the years. I too was originally seduced by Watt's talents, which is why I was a strong advocate of him pre-draft, but one is never too old to keep learning and I'm constantly wanting to improve my understanding of the game. The things I didn't appreciate enough were the intangibles. I've learnt that it's far easier to direct a player's natural aggression if it's wayward than it is to instill it in a player that has very little. I've learnt that it's very difficult to change a player's instinct. If they're timid about putting their body on the line it's hard to change that. You can improve it, but to what degree ? And it also depends on the position you play. If you're 175cm's you're not usually subjected to the same situations you are when you're 196cm's. I've learnt that when you're considering drafting a key forward there are prerequisites that are desirable, such as aggression, courage and a yearning for physical contact. I've learnt that there's a reason that quality key forwards that regularly impact games are as rare as hen's teeth. It's not easy to find a player with talent that has also these qualities.

When I watch Watts I see a player that won't commit to contests. When I watch Jeremy Howe I see him busting a gut to reach a marking contest from a mile off. I'm anticipating whether he'll get there in time. When I watch Watts in the same circumstances I'm watching a player that hopes he won't get there. Actually, he doesn't try. I'm watching a player that doesn't want to compete. I'm watching a player that hangs back when in the same situation a Clark, or Howe would be contesting. Jack Riewoldt, Brown, Carey, Clark, Brereton and plenty of others would just about kill their Grandmother to get to a contest. They're manic in their approach. It's what's required when you're a key forward. On occasions when Watts' knows he has no choice, because the ball has been kicked on his head, he'll usually meekly put one arm in the air and close his eyes. He has no appetite for the contest. He picks and chooses when to go. It's called "playing on your own terms".

I've seen a skinny Nathan Fyfe regularly put his body on the line. I've seen a skinny Jeremy Cameron regularly put his body on the line. He has a crack. Cameron was the youngest player in the league this year and has kicked roughly 30 goals from 16 games. Now I know that you think I'm being mean. You think I'm annoyed that he's not the type of player I was hoping for. Yes, that's true. I thought we were drafting a 600+ goal key forward and clearly we haven't. I've long been resigned to the fact that he's a poor pick one. But I'm more annoyed that he's terribly soft. I'm more annoyed that he won't put his body on the line. I'm more annoyed that he's nowhere near fulfilling his physical talents. Playing as a creative half back doesn't appease me, especially when I still see soft efforts.

Either you think I'm wrong and you think he does put his body on the line, or you think he'll substantially change his playing instincts and suddenly commit to contests he presently avoids. I don't share that optimism. If you've ever played the game you'll know that contested marking requires the most courage in Aussie Rules footy. Having your midrift exposed while you're leaping in a pack takes courage. Waiting for your ribs to take a hit, but not letting that affect your efforts in the marking contest takes courage. Waiting for an errant/deliberate fist in the head takes courage. Expecting a knee right in the small of your back takes courage. None of this is for a faint heart.

It's also not for Jack Watts.

Almost gave this a "like" for sheer effort BH.

You're opinion of Jack Watts will change when he matures. This will take time just the same as it will take time for Mark Neeld. References of what peoples "day jobs" are display you can't grip the discussion with relevant analogy. Do you think Jack's the only young player not to make a huge impact at the age of 21? Do you honestly believe Watts to quote you "hopes he won't get there".. Crazy comment.

to quote our Coach MN ..."Take off your 7 day goggles". Watts will surprise you.

Totally agree. Rarely get a trade that works that way though.

Loyalty reigns supreme in Demonland

Almost gave this a "like" for sheer effort BH.

You're opinion of Jack Watts will change when he matures. This will take time just the same as it will take time for Mark Neeld. References of what peoples "day jobs" are display you can't grip the discussion with relevant analogy. Do you think Jack's the only young player not to make a huge impact at the age of 21? Do you honestly believe Watts to quote you "hopes he won't get there".. Crazy comment.

to quote our Coach MN ..."Take off your 7 day goggles". Watts will surprise you.

You missed the point pal Instinct doesnt change. Jacks instinct is "soft" and and that means he'll never maximise his abilities even if he finds a team that can fit him in somewhere on the perifery.

He may ,like Travis,even play a couple of stand out games ( hopefully in finals for MFC) but he isnt going to be what he was drafted for; the main man up forward.....bummer bummer bummer.