Surely Stef Martin is a keeper. He is ahead of Gawn and Spencer.

I would see him being a big athletic 2nd ruckman.

Strengths: good athlete, composure , big frame and kicking accuracy.

Weaknesses: footy brain needs developing (not a natural footballer), injury free run needed, needs to use his frame to impose himself (get his hands dirty)

Would have trade value to Pies and Saints. Saints may offer up a pick trade.

If you really think Spencer will ever be better than Martin there is no hope for you. Order your brain transplant now..

Errr... no, I didn't say that. I said I'd rather see Neeld put development into Spencer, Fitz and Gawn than see games put into Martin. I don't see a future for him at the Dees. Order your reading glasses now...

I remember one of the first games Martin had to ruck on his own. It was against St Kilda and it was a centre bounce between him and Kosi. Just before the ball was bounced, Martin had this animal-like look of determination on his face. He proceeded to jump on Kosi's shoulders, win the tap straight to one of our guys, and we kicked a goal out of it. His leap on that occasion was just phenomenal. Deadset, his knees were planted on Kosi's shoulders like they were two kids trying to look over a fence.

He could be a fantastic first-selection ruckman if given the opportunity.

I remember that game well. Kosi is always known for getting knocked out and on that day Stef kept Kneeing Kosi in the head with his massive leap. He is a keeper for me and needs to put consecutive games together in 2013 to show his true potential.

Martin showed us all what he is capable when he is given the opportunity last year while Jamar was injured! was in the top 5 ruckman in the game!

Edited August 26, 201212 yr by young dee enthusiast

Martin showed us all what he is capable when he is given the opportunity last year while Jamar was injured! was in the top 5 ruckman in the game!

Well then if he is so fantastic, he'll be good trade bait in a month.

The reality is that Neeld has given him few opportunities (not withstanding his injury issues) and probably sees him as no more than depth behind Jamar, Gawn and Spencer. Whether you think him to be top 5 material or not, he will struggle if he stays at the Dees.

If we pick up a young ruck in this year's draft, his career will suffer further.

He would be better off starting afresh elsewhere in 2013.

Errr... no, I didn't say that. I said I'd rather see Neeld put development into Spencer, Fitz and Gawn than see games put into Martin. I don't see a future for him at the Dees. Order your reading glasses now...

Well your brain clearly works in different ways and still requires a transplant. If you want to play Spenc then its implicit you think he will be better than Martin, If thats not what you mean then go back to school champ and learn how to write what you mean.

Are you now telling us that even if you play Spenc for games in front of Martin he will not be better?? Staggering.

And as for your other brilliant comment that Neeld has given him few opportunities I guess that explains why he has racked up all those games for Casey tis year. Because he has been available and Neeld didn't want to pick him. He'll go close to winning the Casey B& F on those TWO games. Quality post.

Edited August 26, 201212 yr by jnrmac

Surely Stef Martin is a keeper. He is ahead of Gawn and Spencer.

I would see him being a big athletic 2nd ruckman.

Strengths: good athlete, composure , big frame and kicking accuracy.

Weaknesses: footy brain needs developing (not a natural footballer), injury free run needed, needs to use his frame to impose himself (get his hands dirty)

Would have trade value to Pies and Saints. Saints may offer up a pick trade.

Dawes for Martin is practically done

Dawes for Martin is practically done

And Dawes has been shown up for what he is whent the ball doesn't hit his [censored] lace-out.

A big goofy hack.

Stef will stay-Spencer is nowhere near him.

Well your brain clearly works in different ways and still requires a transplant. If you want to play Spenc then its implicit you think he will be better than Martin, If thats not what you mean then go back to school champ and learn how to write what you mean.

Are you now telling us that even if you play Spenc for games in front of Martin he will not be better?? Staggering.

And as for your other brilliant comment that Neeld has given him few opportunities I guess that explains why he has racked up all those games for Casey tis year. Because he has been available and Neeld didn't want to pick him. He'll go close to winning the Casey B& F on those TWO games. Quality post.

No. Try again champ.

I said that IMO Martin would not be part of our future tall mix and that the development of Spencer, Fitz and Gawn would be a higher priority.

Simple. Get it? Nothing more implicit.

You are putting words where there are none.

Will Spencer or Fitz or Gawn be better footballers for us than Martin? Neither you nor I know the answer. But I believe Martin is not rated highly by Neeld and, therefore, would be of greater value as a trade. If he can be part of a deal with, say, pick 13 to get us a quality midfielder, then I would be happy.

I do not believe that Martin is a top 5 ruck as some here think......Unless you are talking about top 5 at the MFC.

No. Try again champ.

I said that IMO Martin would not be part of our future tall mix and that the development of Spencer, Fitz and Gawn would be a higher priority.

Simple. Get it? Nothing more implicit.

You are putting words where there are none.

Will Spencer or Fitz or Gawn be better footballers for us than Martin? Neither you nor I know the answer. But I believe Martin is not rated highly by Neeld and, therefore, would be of greater value as a trade. If he can be part of a deal with, say, pick 13 to get us a quality midfielder, then I would be happy.

I do not believe that Martin is a top 5 ruck as some here think......Unless you are talking about top 5 at the MFC.

Martin is a better player than Spencer, and more versatile

Looking at yesterday's game we seriously need another tall backman Frawley was undersized Rivers is always undersized as is Garland. Sellar was recruited as a backman I thought but seems to have been thrown forward. Why can't Martin be the big backman we obviously need. As a rebounder he would be hard to stop playing on slow giants. He started as a full back and was then thrown all over the shop. I'd trade a few others before him.

Looking at yesterday's game we seriously need another tall backman Frawley was undersized Rivers is always undersized as is Garland. Sellar was recruited as a backman I thought but seems to have been thrown forward. Why can't Martin be the big backman we obviously need. As a rebounder he would be hard to stop playing on slow giants. He started as a full back and was then thrown all over the shop. I'd trade a few others before him.

Good point dr. He did well when he was initially played back at the start of his career. Would have thought he'd be tried there this season at some point, if that was the case. Worth some discussion.

And Dawes has been shown up for what he is whent the ball doesn't hit his [censored] lace-out.

A big goofy hack.

Stef will stay-Spencer is nowhere near him.

Well the football department think otherwise

They're saying Dawes' stock will never be lower and Collingwood are desperate for a Ruckman so it's a classic buy low sell high

He's also a key forward from a premiership side who is one of the fittest guys at the club and those types are not to be scoffed at.

intresting collingwood are now heavily into stef martin.

intresting collingwood are now heavily into stef martin.

Just from the articles or have you heard something outside the papers? Hope we hang on to him.

Just from the articles or have you heard something outside the papers? Hope we hang on to him.

I'd put my money on this coming from some bored, storyless journo trawling through here for trade ideas and has stumbled upon NAH's posts.

If Collingwood are into getting a ruckman I hear Josh Fraser will be available (and people give us [censored] for drafting Jack Watts!)

Edited August 29, 201212 yr by diesel

I can tell you as my one 'fact' that Neeld doesnt want Matin playing in the backline because of his kicking.....mind you whether that suits him to CHF isnt clear