Trade Sylvia - just do it

[jnrmac 20,055]

Liked this until the definitive "He is gone"

Given his age and obvious support here plus some of his endeavour with injuries

1 Tell him he has to run has to give second efforts tell him to chase.

2 Remind him that his attitude does affect veryone. He could be a leader Does he want to be? He could be with us or he may need to look elsewhere

1 is unconditional our choice 2 is his choice

Obviously my opinion about him being gone but I am definitely in the trade Sylvia camp. He has some currency outside the club.

As for telling him to do the things you suggest he has been told 1000 times. He is not the sharpest tool in the shed our Col.

His B&F finishes tell you exactly what the club think of him. 8 years and not once inside the top 5. A disgrace for someone of his talent.

[dpositive 1,663]

Obviously my opinion about him being gone but I am definitely in the trade Sylvia camp. He has some currency outside the club.

As for telling him to do the things you suggest he has been told 1000 times. He is not the sharpest tool in the shed our Col.

His B&F finishes tell you exactly what the club think of him. 8 years and not once inside the top 5. A disgrace for someone of his talent.

if you are right about being told then your metaphor may be correct. If he does have some currency then option 2 may well be his choice. Would hate to see that "talent" return against us.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Dean Bailey has a lot to answer for. The players loved him because he molly coddled them and they never had to work hard enough on their fitness or the defensive aspects of modern AFL football.

Cough, the atitudes & culture had slipped by 2004. With players playing very "Outside" football & the list run down bare.

To blame Bailey for our over 22Yr olds is Not right.

The culture was cosy under the admin/footy in the mid to late 90's, & got worse from there.

In the 2000's our most skilled players went nowhere near a hard ball get, let alone chase.

Enter 2007/8 & the list rebuild beginnings, (see Morton getting soft kicks in the back pocket, kickouts) reminiscent of Brad Green & Yze, Bruce et al.

Heres your soft lazy approach.

[beelzebub 23,313]

2 Kicks

can any of the Pro-Sylvia brigade please tell me how thats acceptable.!!!

[Bossdog 2,002]

To all those who want him traded

Who are you going to trade him for????

You are not going to get a top 10 midfielder for him

Oh....lets get another pick in the draft and spend 3 to 4 years developing

I know he frustrates supporters but considering his injuries this year he has come back pretty well

And I just love supporters who put crap on our players so offen.....Even if we win (last week) all that was on DL was we didn't win by enough....Jow Blow played s---house and should be dropped/delisted.....Don't think I will come back to this site...

[jnrmac 20,055]

2 Kicks

can any of the Pro-Sylvia brigade please tell me how thats acceptable.!!!

And wasn't one after the siren??

[beelzebub 23,313]

And wasn't one after the siren??

yeah...but Ill give him that one...lol.. Otherwise 1 kick for a game would look really bad !!

[jnrmac 20,055]

To all those who want him traded

Who are you going to trade him for????

You are not going to get a top 10 midfielder for him

Oh....lets get another pick in the draft and spend 3 to 4 years developing

The bit you don't seem to get is that we will NEVER be a contender when we have players who refuse to play as a team or play to a team game plan. Its like Carlton and Fevola.

Sylvia is bone lazy. He has talent to burn and every now and then thrills us all but he is incapable of change it would seem.

His laziness spreads to everyone else. If you are trying to play a zone for example it relies on everyone doing their bit. One hole and the attacking team will cut through it easily. Pretty soon everyone says stuff it why bother.

Its the same as midfielders who refuse to play 'both ways' and run hard when we don't have possession. Watch Dane Beams to see how a good player does it. Sylvia never does it consistently which is why he is rated so poorly by the club and why he has to be traded away. Moloney is pretty similar although is trying hard to change. Not sure he has the capacity to run hard enough though,

And BTW when trading you have to give something away to get something. Sylvia is one of our few that could get something at the trade table.

[Bossdog 2,002]

yeah...but Ill give him that one...lol.. Otherwise 1 kick for a game would look really bad !!

12 posses....2 kicks.....10 handballs....8 tackles....75% eff....19 pres acts

not his best games but there was a few others, who are not whipping boys that did less...

[beelzebub 23,313]

To all those who want him traded

Who are you going to trade him for????

You are not going to get a top 10 midfielder for him

You act as though Sylvia is !! What to trade for.?? Quite frankj,y whatever we can get. Pointless retaing players just for some supposed value. Many supporters over inflate such players value whilst the market knows its true one.

Oh....lets get another pick in the draft and spend 3 to 4 years developing

I know he frustrates supporters but considering his injuries this year he has come back pretty well

And I just love supporters who put crap on our players so offen.....Even if we win (last week) all that was on DL was we didn't win by enough....Jow Blow played s---house and should be dropped/delisted.....Don't think I will come back to this site...

Lets get it quite clear. Any player that WONT play to his ability and/or team instruction is of no real value at all.

come back pretty well ? 2 kicks.. yeah, hes tearing the house down !!

He does zilch except add to the potential value !!

[drdrake 3,163]

I watch the game a couple of times , just because Sunday Footy who cares about Richmand V Bulldogs, to me Col Sylvia is at best as a midfielder rersting forward, for the first three quarters on Saturday he seemed to me a forward and was only released to play in the midfield in the last.

We need Col playing most his time in the middle, we have Moloney going backwards and most likely will be at Casey this week, Jones playing well, we need Col to be that second big bodied midfielder.

[Bossdog 2,002]

The bit you don't seem to get is that we will NEVER be a contender when we have players who refuse to play as a team or play to a team game plan. Its like Carlton and Fevola.

Sylvia is bone lazy. He has talent to burn and every now and then thrills us all but he is incapable of change it would seem.

His laziness spreads to everyone else. If you are trying to play a zone for example it relies on everyone doing their bit. One hole and the attacking team will cut through it easily. Pretty soon everyone says stuff it why bother.

Its the same as midfielders who refuse to play 'both ways' and run hard when we don't have possession. Watch Dane Beams to see how a good player does it. Sylvia never does it consistently which is why he is rated so poorly by the club and why he has to be traded away. Moloney is pretty similar although is trying hard to change. Not sure he has the capacity to run hard enough though,

And BTW when trading you have to give something away to get something. Sylvia is one of our few that could get something at the trade table.

Answer this then...who would you be happy to trade for him that is willing to come to us......not looking for a fight but it is all very well to say trade...trade ...trade....but give me a name that will be better.....and good luck to you f you could play this game after recovering from a broken back....

[beelzebub 23,313]

If he is as unfit or injured as some rely on then he shouldnt be out there. He is. Hes deemed to be fit to play, not just fit to play footy but fit to play AFL. > lets move past this "oh hes injured sh!t shall we . He walks over the line hes fair game.

His worth is exactly what the market will cough up, whether that be a player or pick or combo there of either on its own or as part of a larger player swap etc.

Anything that infects the overall ability of the team must be lanced. Simple as

[Bossdog 2,002]

You act as though Sylvia is !! What to trade for.?? Quite frankj,y whatever we can get. Pointless retaing players just for some supposed value. Many supporters over inflate such players value whilst the market knows its true one.

Lets get it quite clear. Any player that WONT play to his ability and/or team instruction is of no real value at all.

come back pretty well ? 2 kicks.. yeah, hes tearing the house down !!

He does zilch except add to the potential value !!

So I take it that you are in the inner circle of the coaching panel.......Playing a an undersized forward line with our midfield would be so easy....all those lace out passes....and you would be the first to complain when the trade is not what you expect.....This game is so easy sitting at a keyboard......You can critisise...bag players.....say what ever you like and never have to leave the comfort of you home.....Am not saying he is the best player I just hate the constant crap put on OUR players....

[beelzebub 23,313]

So I take it that you are in the inner circle of the coaching panel.......Playing a an undersized forward line with our midfield would be so easy....all those lace out passes....and you would be the first to complain when the trade is not what you expect.....This game is so easy sitting at a keyboard......You can critisise...bag players.....say what ever you like and never have to leave the comfort of you home.....Am not saying he is the best player I just hate the constant crap put on OUR players....

well done you hero

so when confronted with anything remotely looking like an argumetn you resort to Troll ...good onya

If he is fit, and one cansumme he is sufficientlyu so otherwise he wouldnt be seected. Neeld has shown he will not select for selctions sake.

So Sylivia is out there to play, to paly to his ability which I concede is very high. he never plays to it though. he has never played out 4 qtrs to his ability. He never figures in any meaingful way in Browlow votes. Doesnt even figure in our club voting, Yeah hes THAT good. !!

If players dont want crap put on them its simple...stop playing like crap !!

[Bossdog 2,002]

So I take it that the way this season has gone most of our players have not played to their ability therefore should be up for trade or delisted......I was simply saying how easy it is to put crap on players who you do not think are preforming to your satisfaction....

Your arrogance is simply breathtaking.......

[GIRO 63]

Sylvia will not get traded end of story he is part of the future and neeld thinks so too

[daisycutter 29,606]

Sylvia will not get traded end of story he is part of the future and neeld thinks so too

Is there any danger someone might tell Colin then?

[Hannibal 5,814]

To blame Bailey for our over 22Yr olds is Not right.

Who's discussing 22 year olds in a thread about Sylvia ?

You regularly live up to your username.

[beelzebub 23,313]

So I take it that the way this season has gone most of our players have not played to their ability therefore should be up for trade or delisted......I was simply saying how easy it is to put crap on players who you do not think are preforming to your satisfaction....

Your arrogance is simply breathtaking.......

in case you havent twigged to what this year is really about, and you wont be alone as obviously quite a few players havent either, its about information and weeding. its intel gathering for the FD to see who is actually as good as their ego and who is worth keeping; whether thats by persevering with in the belief they might come up to their forecasts or simply because they are good and deserve keeping.

Id say You and Col are in the same group

[beelzebub 23,313]

Sylvia will not get traded end of story he is part of the future and neeld thinks so too

Oh please, educate us. On what basis does Neeld believe Col is an autostart at the Dees in 2013 ? Is this a case of Being John Malcovich-esque ?

The FD is 'trialling " everyone, in and out of position to see who passes muster, to see who has the hunger, to see who can play Neeld footy.

I wouldnt be betting any real money on Col having passed that bar yet.

[PaulRB 6,354]

Are you implying that Giro is inside Neeld controlling him via an entrance only accessible by crouching?

Sweet.

Explains our performance this year too.

Edited August 13, 2012 by PaulRB

[Bossdog 2,002]

Well......I would rather be with him.....than to be so arrogant and believe that my opinion is the be all and end all.....and add personal attacks and belive that people don't know whats happening at the club and you have exclusive knowledge.... posters have a differing opinion.....

Good luck to you.....and keep on sticking pins in your "Col doll"

[beelzebub 23,313]

Well......I would rather be with him.....than to be so arrogant and believe that my opinion is the be all and end all.....and add personal attacks and belive that people don't know whats happening at the club and you have exclusive knowledge.... posters have a differing opinion.....

Good luck to you.....and keep on sticking pins in your "Col doll"

ah I see.. run and hide when anything approaching a 'realist' argument ensues.

Im nto so arrogant that I take 100's of thousands of dollars under false pretext. Im not so arrogant I 'make it known" id be happy to move if the club didnt ante up.. Sylvia did exactly this. He wasnt alone over the years either. What exactly have we had for the clubs investment of time , money , resources let alone patience ?

What ? A bucketful of 'potnetial" ...perennially it's Potential, never any realisation , just potential, just glimnpses, a few quarters here and there. Never a whole game ( actually I'll correct myself I think there was indeed one,......once ) All this from one of the golden picks.

He'll be 27 come next season, hel have campaigned effectively in 9 seasons. FFS he'll be a free agent at the end of next year hes been around that long !! And people still talk of him coming good ONE day !! I reckon the Mayans have a better chance of seeing their one-day as compared the MFC with Colin.

Hes supposed to be Elite .... has Elite abilities, but certainly not a comensurately Elite player...............should

Should be a respected senior player ..............should

Should at least be an established consistent player able to run out games and play to at least 90% of abilitry week in week out..........should

Should be an impact player with his above average abilites................should .....and actually in fleeting moments does

Theres a lot of "should " about Mr Sylvia

[Bossdog 2,002]

Not running or hiding.......I see your arguement and you have made some great points.......All you have said can be said of a lot of our players and I am not saying that Sylvia is the great player we all thought.....but I think we need him and other mature older players to play with our youth otherwise we will just keep playing kids that cannot cope

I still believe he has a lot more value than a draft pick at this stage and has been improving after an injury interupted pre season...