We need to go hard after one of their younger players and pay a little over the odds.

With all the stars at hawthorn blokes like Young and Whitecross are on peanuts.

We must have so much coin given our deplorable list.

Offer young or whitecross $1.2m over 4 years. At least they'll know how hard to train, and can kick and spread and make good decisions.

As for what to give, I think Stef Martin would have some value to them as a ruck/key defender. If they'd prefer jamar give them jamar. We desperately need some class through the midfield.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/melbourne-faces-uphill-battle-to-keep-mark-jamar/story-e6frf9jf-1226337484642

there is a link to the article for those that haven't read it.

What I dont like is the words Uphill Battle - (Its a concern)

You never name who you're proposing we trade - so typical of your weasel approach.

You never name who you're proposing we trade

True.

Who would you trade and what would you trade him for? Give an example of a satisfactory deal. Put it in the following form:

"Melbourne trades: Player X / Draft pick X

Hawthorn trades: Player Y / Draft pick Y"

You never name who you're proposing we trade - so typical of your weasel approach.

Thanks for that - nice positive input from a "mod" - do you want me to get Mark to write that up in the article as well - oh sorry we cant do that.

But I think he does say "Free agent"!!!

Still upset - you are mentally scared - get over it. He is GONE - we got 2 superb first round picks. (that are sadly getting better by the day)

Edited April 25, 201213 yr by Dr Who

So your plan is to get rid of Jamar to free agency. Jamar for, effectively, nothing.

Good work "exploting their weakness". That'll show them!!

Thanks for that - nice positive input from a "mod" - do you want me to get Mark to write that up in the article as well - oh sorry we cant do that.

But I think he does say "Free agent"!!!

Still upset - you are mentally scared - get over it. He is GONE - we got 2 superb first round picks.

Interesting that you thought I was talking to you. Feeling guilty?

So your plan is to get rid of Jamar to free agency. Jamar for, effectively, nothing.

Good work "exploting their weakness". That'll show them!!

Rubbish I never said that - Mark said that. Here we go AGAIN. mis-quote after mis-quote!

Edited April 25, 201213 yr by Dr Who

Interesting that you thought I was talking to you. Feeling guilty?

Nope I feel guilty about nothing - hehehehehe - quite the opposite (but that might go over your head.)

Rubbish I never said that - Mark said that. Here we go AGAIN. mis-quote after mis-quote!

Then answer the question.

Who would you trade and what would you trade him for? Give an example of a satisfactory deal. Put it in the following form:

"Melbourne trades: Player X / Draft pick X

Club Z trades: Player Y / Draft pick Y"

I will take a future failure to answer the question as an admission that you have no solution. I wait with eager anticipation.

Melbourne trades Moloney to Gold Coast for Bennell.

Rubbish I never said that - Mark said that. Here we go AGAIN. mis-quote after mis-quote!

Yip, hehehe, your usual modus-operandi - insinuate, deny, obfuscate, never own an opinion ...

You'll never own that you were talking about any particular player or even talking about trading a player.

It's Scully to Richmond re-visited ...

Yes I am a mod now and part of my responsibility is ensure a quality board.

It's Scully to Richmond re-visited ...

Yes I am a mod now and part of my responsibility is ensure a quality board.

Here we go again - mis-quote - mis-quote - I knew you had a "bad" mental scare - get over it he is GONE. We got 2 superb draft picks for him.

Some of us have moved on now - Cant you see that? No I dont think you can - but many around here wont see that either. This is a ruckman thread!

I could have sworn Mitch Clarke was going to Fremantle for 51 weeks and 6 days last year - then things change - hello - you should read what people said - not what you think they said. But we let you continue to think what you wanted to think - if they flew over your & others head that was EXACTLY the intention.

Its a public forum - Do you understand that. Obviously not.

hahahaha - think you should read some of your own comments. Your acting like a very frustrated individual.

Edited April 25, 201213 yr by Dr Who

Dr Who,

I will take a future failure to answer the question as an admission that you have no solution.

Given that you've been lurking on the board for the last hour and a half yet still refuse to answer the question (I even went to the trouble of bolding and underlining it so that you saw it), one can only assume that you actually don't know.

You are speaking a lot but have no idea what you are saying. Unfortunately it is left to other posters to read.

The only victim in this is your credibility as a poster ........ again.

So your plan is to get rid of Jamar to free agency. Jamar for, effectively nothing.

Losing Jamar would open up a spot on the list and free up the cap - that's hardly nothing in return.

He's 29 and is barely holding his spot in the team. We have to rely on Spencil, Fitzy and Gawn to come good. With Martin and Clark capable of rucking losing Jamar to free agency may be unfortunate but hardly detrimental to the team at this point in time.

We are in no position to lose Jamar.

You want to put the number 1 ruckman role on Martin's head? After one good season as a backup ruckman? No way.

Can't rely on Spencil, Gawn or Fitzy. Sellar isn't a footballer's boot stud and if Clark gets moved to the ruck I will throw a temper tantrum!

If free spaces and salary cap room is what you want- well Green, Davey and Macdonald say "howdy do!"

We have to rely on Spencil, Fitzy and Gawn to come good.

I hope you are right.

The article is a beat up with a bit of help from Jamars management (or the journo doing a favour to his management) to get a longer term deal from us. If you look at it clearly then Geelong will not be in the bidding, he is not a replacement for Ottens, they already have West who at 24yo is starting to come into his prime along with Vardy (injured this season), Dawson Simpson, Stevenson and at a pinch Hawkins as a back up. Geelong are in the process of quietly regenerating their list at the moment and have been travelling under the radar and anyway they like to grow their own, with the exception of Ottens.

The age difference between him and Jolly is not that great anyway so I don't think Collingwood would be a serious contender, I don't think they would be offering a 3 year deal and neither should we. Mark is struggling to get off the ground at the moment and his best football may be behind him.

He is not tradeable anyway as he is a free agent and the compensation available for loosing a player to free agency is not very well defined in the AFL rules, so who knows what it would bring. I think he will play out his carrer at Melbourne as long as the club treat him with some respect and don't take him for granted.

Edited April 25, 201213 yr by rjay

Here we go again - mis-quote - mis-quote - I knew you had a "bad" mental scare - get over it he is GONE. We got 2 superb draft picks for him.

Some of us have moved on now - Cant you see that? No I dont think you can - but many around here wont see that either. This is a ruckman thread!

I could have sworn Mitch Clarke was going to Fremantle for 51 weeks and 6 days last year - then things change - hello - you should read what people said - not what you think they said. But we let you continue to think what you wanted to think - if they flew over your & others head that was EXACTLY the intention.

Its a public forum - Do you understand that. Obviously not.

hahahaha - think you should read some of your own comments. Your acting like a very frustrated individual.

Dr, your forum future is in your own hands - put up or shut up - answer the question or seal your own fate ...

Who would you trade and what would you trade him for? Give an example of a satisfactory deal. Put it in the following form:

"Melbourne trades: Player X / Draft pick X

Club Z trades: Player Y / Draft pick Y"

As the Captain said "You gonna fit in real good ... it's all up to you"

I say we trade Hangon to TalkingCarlton we could even pass the hat around and toss in a few dollars to sweeten the deal

The article is a beat up with a bit of help from Jamars management (or the journo doing a favour to his management) to get a longer term deal from us. If you look at it clearly then Geelong will not be in the bidding, he is not a replacement for Ottens, they already have West who at 24yo is starting to come into his prime along with Vardy (injured this season), Dawson Simpson, Stevenson and at a pinch Hawkins as a back up. Geelong are in the process of quietly regenerating their list at the moment and have been travelling under the radar and anyway they like to grow their own, with the exception of Ottens.

The age difference between him and Jolly is not that great anyway so I don't think Collingwood would be a serious contender, I don't think they would be offering a 3 year deal and neither should we. Mark is struggling to get off the ground at the moment and his best football may be behind him.

He is not tradeable anyway as he is a free agent and the compensation available for loosing a player to free agency is not very well defined in the AFL rules, so who knows what it would bring. I think he will play out his carrer at Melbourne as long as the club treat him with some respect and don't take him for granted.

Yeah the "ball" is surely in our court. Watch this space.

Old 55, how the hell can you be a moderator when you insist in abusing and bating Dr Who and at the same time telling us that you want a quality board. Resign or lift you're game. Moderator does not = obnoxious know all.

What's this crap - 'Dr, your forum future is in your own hands - put up or shut up - answer the question or seal your own fate ...'

How about you just moderate.

the player who said he'd sooner quit a year of football than play for the dees...

Yeah, him.

Losing Jamar would open up a spot on the list and free up the cap - that's hardly nothing in return.

He's 29 and is barely holding his spot in the team. We have to rely on Spencil, Fitzy and Gawn to come good. With Martin and Clark capable of rucking losing Jamar to free agency may be unfortunate but hardly detrimental to the team at this point in time.

As difficult as it is to admit it with him approaching the 30 mark, & us needing to fast track the development of Spencer, Gawn & Fitzy. The other spot for a ruck in the seniors could be helpful if Martin holds one versatile spot & one at a time we get games into the others...

With both Martin & the Russian we holding back our young rucks development.

He may like to look to further his options.

Martin is a 2nd Ruck which we need.... Our young boys, Spencer & Gawn both play like main Rucks, & both need games to grow... Fitz can develop into a 2nd ruck at first,,, playing deep forward to get some experience.

He, may well also turn into a 1st Ruck option, down the track.