On 16/12/2011 at 20:13, monoccular said:

As so many have said -- hindsight is just a wonderful thing.

I can't be bothered trawling through all the post draft posts when $cully was recruited, but maybe you can, and can find and repost your response stating that is was so obviously wrong to pick up the lying, deceitful, di$loyal, mercenary, de$stabilizing, undermining, $cumbag as number 1 ??

Many of my $cully posts going back were actually deleted because it was said i was "stirring the pot" or PC words to that effect.

I wasn't as sure as Range Rover but not far behind. His demeanor and Body Language were never right.

That said i am glad i saw the Bulldogs game final quarter when his talents were on show. The kid can play. He just doesn't care where or how he gets there.

Who made a mistake? A mistake implies some kind of neglect of duties to me. It wasn't a mistake you are using the wrong word when you refer to this guy.

  On 17/12/2011 at 03:18, SloonieMcFloonieloone said:

Who made a mistake? A mistake implies some kind of neglect of duties to me. It wasn't a mistake you are using the wrong word when you refer to this guy.

You can soften the word if you wish, but it only covers up reality. Considering it was a number one pick in a solid draft after 2 years of "list management" to be shafted the way we were. Blindsided completely. Neglect of Duties is a fair call i would say. LEARN FROM IT. GET BETTER.

There's a lot of carp about "the signs were there" and other revisionist rubbish.

Just see it as it was.

An unfortunate combination of events and circumstances that led to Scully getting an offer he couldn't refuse.

And a lot to do with timing.

If GWS hadn't entered the competition when they did, you'd still be canonising Scully's loyalty, work ethic and professionalism for the next decade.

There weren't any tell-tale signs we should have picked up on.

He is not inherently evil or disloyal.

In fact, that's probably something worth noting - although they are both often championed by all and sundry, LOYALTY and PROFESSIONALISM are in essence conflicting ideologies.

  On 16/12/2011 at 20:13, monoccular said:

As so many have said -- hindsight is just a wonderful thing.

Not having a go at you monoccular, but I really dislike this expression. Hindsight is a pointless and futile exercise that achieves nothing. We need to be looking forwards, not backwards.

Edit: It's not so much the expression but the frequent use of it on these forums, no point driving yourself crazy over things that have already happened.

  On 17/12/2011 at 04:23, Nascent said:

Not having a go at you monoccular, but I really dislike this expression. Hindsight is a pointless and futile exercise that achieves nothing. We need to be looking forwards, not backwards.

Edit: It's not so much the expression but the frequent use of it on these forums, no point driving yourself crazy over things that have already happened.

Alternatively:

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana

  On 15/12/2011 at 05:24, jnrmac said:

Didn't he say "I'm excited to go to melbourne as my first club"?? Says it all really

He probably was excited at the time. But he got even more excited when $$$$$$ was put in front of him.

When we selected him was his father working for Sydneyfc? If so then I would have thought that would be a negative for the MFC.

  On 17/12/2011 at 05:03, old55 said:

Alternatively:

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana

All well and good but how many goals did this Santaya kick in his entire career?

  On 17/12/2011 at 04:18, Lutz said:

There's a lot of carp about "the signs were there" and other revisionist rubbish.

Just see it as it was.

An unfortunate combination of events and circumstances that led to Scully getting an offer he couldn't refuse.

And a lot to do with timing.

If GWS hadn't entered the competition when they did, you'd still be canonising Scully's loyalty, work ethic and professionalism for the next decade.

There weren't any tell-tale signs we should have picked up on.

He is not inherently evil or disloyal.

In fact, that's probably something worth noting - although they are both often championed by all and sundry, LOYALTY and PROFESSIONALISM are in essence conflicting ideologies.

If it was an offer to good to refuse, which i suspect it was. Just say so. And do not openly lie for over a year.

You may see it differently and that is cool, but i do call that disloyal. Particularly when other team mates are fronting the journalist vultures and defending his integrity.

I couldn't do that to someone else. But $cully could. It takes a certain cold calculated persona to do that.

IMO that is where the mistake lies, and i am not suprised we missed it. Most would. But the end result must ensure the club becomes wiser going forward. I think that has already started so i am pumped. But to me $cully will always be remembered as a big mistake.

Those long Dustin Martin bombs do get me thinking "what if..."

  On 17/12/2011 at 05:23, Deeman said:

All well and good but how many goals did this Santaya kick in his entire career?

It's Santayana, not Santaya and he was an early 20th century philosopher, not a footballer!

  On 17/12/2011 at 05:51, Elwood 3184 said:

It's Santayana, not Santaya and he was an early 20th century philosopher, not a footballer!

Bloody hell!

Does this mean I have to tell the grandkids that there's no Santayana?

  On 17/12/2011 at 05:03, old55 said:

Alternatively:

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana

All good and well if you're in a position of power within the club. We are supporters and have no input in recruitment. If people feel the need to beat their head against a rock about what could have been then thats their choice. I'm choosing to move on and concern myself with the players we have on our list now and in the future.

  On 17/12/2011 at 03:18, SloonieMcFloonieloone said:

Who made a mistake? A mistake implies some kind of neglect of duties to me. It wasn't a mistake you are using the wrong word when you refer to this guy.

the day we drafted him i turned to my housemate and said "i can't believe we just used our #1 pick on a kid with a pre-existing knee condition..."

seemed like a mistake at the time, and at the end of the day he's played a fraction over half the games he would have been available for if not for that same dodgy knee. that is the only real mistake i can see. who knows,

i don't like the fact that he lied all year, and i think that the business with his dad was beyond sickening as was demetriou's reaction to it, but if i was him and was offered 6mil knowing that my knee could give out at any moment i'm going to take it.

the general consensus seems to be that if we hadn't taken scully we would have taken dustin martin instead and whose to say sheedy wouldn't have gone after him in the same manner?

anyone on here who says they wouldn't relocate for that kind of money at that age is either a liar or armish and i'm not sure brother ezekiel has ADSL2+

If Neeld took over in 2008, perhaps we would've got more wins, or less wins, and therefore different draft picks... so maybe we would've have got Trengove, or not been able to trade for Clark, taken Lucas instead of Gysberts... it goes on and on and on

Maybe having Bailey not do so well, and having the Geelong result, was actually a good thing for the club - a kick up the arse.

Lets just deal with our list now (which i personally am very happy with) and see what Neeld can do with it.

  On 17/12/2011 at 05:24, why you little said:

If it was an offer to good to refuse, which i suspect it was. Just say so. And do not openly lie for over a year.

You may see it differently and that is cool, but i do call that disloyal. Particularly when other team mates are fronting the journalist vultures and defending his integrity.

I couldn't do that to someone else. But $cully could. It takes a certain cold calculated persona to do that.

IMO that is where the mistake lies, and i am not suprised we missed it. Most would. But the end result must ensure the club becomes wiser going forward. I think that has already started so i am pumped. But to me $cully will always be remembered as a big mistake.

Those long Dustin Martin bombs do get me thinking "what if..."

Bloody hell you can be naive.

What was he meant to do and say, if he intended to leave, or was making up his mind?

And do you really think the other players cared that he contradicted what they said?

Their imperative was to play a straight bat and not give the issue any further life, and they did that to the best of their ability.

Scully proving them wrong meant nothing in the end, because they probably often weren't saying what they thought.

Do you not see that everything said to the media is done so with a healthy measure of intent?

It's no skin off their nose to defend him - in fact, it is said to serve a purpose.

You couldn't do that to someone else? Rubbish.

You have no control over what others say.

Believe whatever makes you sleep better, though.

  On 17/12/2011 at 11:43, Lutz said:

Bloody hell you can be naive.

What was he meant to do and say, if he intended to leave, or was making up his mind?

And do you really think the other players cared that he contradicted what they said?

Their imperative was to play a straight bat and not give the issue any further life, and they did that to the best of their ability.

Scully proving them wrong meant nothing in the end, because they probably often weren't saying what they thought.

Do you not see that everything said to the media is done so with a healthy measure of intent?

It's no skin off their nose to defend him - in fact, it is said to serve a purpose.

You couldn't do that to someone else? Rubbish.

You have no control over what others say.

Believe whatever makes you sleep better, though.

Don't tell me what i could & couldn't do thanks very much.

I would not stand in front of a media throng and lie to cover for somebody else. I don't care who it is.

I wouldn't be saying a word...Maybe you would do it.

The rest of your thread doesn't make a lot of sense either TBH.

I'm not really surprised you don't get it.

And you changed what you said you wouldn't do.

Clumsy sidestep.

  On 17/12/2011 at 22:40, Lutz said:

I'm not really surprised you don't get it.

And you changed what you said you wouldn't do.

Clumsy sidestep.

believe what you like. I haven't changed my stance at all.