It's billy. I don't go around saying d!ckhead disco do I?

Wha tI don't understand is your patting on the back that we picked up a player, with pick 11, that is better than Brock McLean. Yes, I understand that we got pick 11 for Brock, which is where we chose JG, but I would like to think that we got the better end of that deal. Put it this way, if Carlton offered us the last pick in the rookie draft and picked me, I think the MFC would still be in front.

I suggest you stop reading all the poor training reports about gysberts. We have all seen them. So he isn't the Feb running champion.

Look at the facts...he has two rising star awards. he gets the footy. at the start of his career Anthony Rocca was often critscised for looking as though he was out of breath. Did that stop him from going on to have a good AFL career? NO.

not named to play for the senior side this week. I am getting the impression that Gysberts does not fit into Neelds plan.

I would suggest that if Neeld already had a "set" on players then Neeld would be a horses rear end of a coach.

I would suggest that if Neeld already had a "set" on players then Neeld would be a horses rear end of a coach.

I wouldn't say that Neeld had a set on players, although I would say that he has a 'set' of attributes that he likes players to have. Attributes that I dont think Gysberts has.

Size and strength perhaps?

I'm not going to say he's a star but I will say that I believe with a good run without many more injuries he could be a strong 200+ player for us. I believe it enough to have put my money up and buy his Reach NabCup Guernsey I don't think we've seen the best of him yet.

Absolutely love this kid and can only see huge upside in him.Knows how to find the footy,is an excellent kick and his clearance work is outstanding for a lightly built youngster. Everyone talks about $cully,trenners and Martin in that draft but 'the gys' at 11 was an absolute beauty!

Edited March 15, 201213 yr by Gotzy15

I suggest you stop reading all the poor training reports about gysberts. We have all seen them. So he isn't the Feb running champion.

Look at the facts...he has two rising star awards. he gets the footy. at the start of his career Anthony Rocca was often critscised for looking as though he was out of breath. Did that stop him from going on to have a good AFL career? NO.

Thanks for your suggestion. I actually take the training reports with a grain of salt. This thing I find most interesting about training reports is the different drills the new coaches have implemented, and what postions certain players train in, and the times some of our so called "elite endurance" midfiedlers are running in time trials.

I judge Gysberts on his footy to date, and the potential that I see in him. It's not my fault I believe his potential isn't as high as some on here, and think he has a lot of areas tha the needs to work on for him to reach the status that a few of you beleifve he will.

And while receiving 2 Rising Star nominations is a good effort, he's not the first, and won't be the last to do it. I believe Blease will receive his 2nd this year, and I have more upside for Blease than Gysberts. Jones is also another player who has received 2 nominations, and I'm yet to see anyone on here say that he has reached the heights that we think Gysberts can reach. Jones is a very good player, not elite, not a gun, etc.

I don't think the Anthony Rocca comparison is some of your best work.

I think that if the Gys dosn't change the way he plays and his intensity then he will turn out to be only an average player.

I am really hoping that he gets a bit of grunt into him.

Right now, could you imagine him in the midfield against Buddy Franklin? His going to need to get to the point where he needs to be able to contest top line midfielders in marking contests, tackle them hard and chase them down otherwise there is no point having him in the first 22 if he can't do this.

Gys would get flicked off like a fly trying to tackle an oncoming Buddy. Fortunately I think players such as Moloney, Magner, Jones and Sylvia wouldn't.

You would benefit from a vist to your local optometrist.

And get a pair of rose coloured glasses some on here seem to wear. Billy's view is more than reasonable, and one that I agree with. Ball is in Jordan's court now, so let's hope he can prove those of us wrong who are a little more reserved in our praise and expectations for him.

I for one like what the Gys has shown to date. He is a possession winner. A true midfielder that our list lacks. He needs time to build his motor and body size. I don't care that he is not a training champ (at this stage). He is a footballer who knows how to get the ball and use it. He has shown more on the field than some of our more higher profile picks.

So, just because I have a different view of Gysberts than the one you have, means I'm the blind one? OOOOOOk then.

you said "I judge Gysberts on his footy to date, and the potential that I see in him."

Clearly you haven't watched him closely enough.

you said "I judge Gysberts on his footy to date, and the potential that I see in him."

Clearly you haven't watched him closely enough.

do u see him being able to tackle an oncoming Franklin in the future?

do u see him being able to tackle an oncoming Franklin in the future?

that's a loaded question! hahaha

tackling is technique and not about size.

The jury is still out on JG's future as it would be with someone his age etc.

But I firmly believe he has shown way more than TS so far at senior level.

And that has nothing to do with TS leaving Melbourne

do u see him being able to tackle an oncoming Franklin in the future?

I couldnt see Buddy Franklin at Gysberts age tackling an oncoming Buddy Franklin now.

And the post about techinique is also on the money. Whilst he is bigger bodied than Gys, the best tackler in the game, Kelly of Geelong is by no means a huge man.

After a fantastic debut few games, he has for various reasons not set the world on fire since.

With the arrival at the club of the likes of Magner and Couch, Jordan is at a bit of risk of things passing him by if he doesn't really produce on a regular basis this season. Hope he doesn't, but there is the risk.

I couldnt see Buddy Franklin at Gysberts age tackling an oncoming Buddy Franklin now.

And the post about techinique is also on the money. Whilst he is bigger bodied than Gys, the best tackler in the game, Kelly of Geelong is by no means a huge man.

thats the exact reason why Gysberts won't get much if any game time this year under Mark Neeld in my opinion. Mark wants results, not to develop players who can't even tackle opposition mid fielders. He will need to develop at casey while his body and technique matures.

I like Gys but this is just my 2c into why he didn't get to much NAB game time. I don't mean to put the guy down as i hope he turns out really well but i honestly don't think that this year we will see to much of the Gys.

I couldnt see Buddy Franklin at Gysberts age tackling an oncoming Buddy Franklin now.

And the post about techinique is also on the money. Whilst he is bigger bodied than Gys, the best tackler in the game, Kelly of Geelong is by no means a huge man.

Alot of sense there. I cant think of many footballers at MFC (or in the AFL) who pass the critieria of tackling an oncoming Franklin.

He is just 20 and debuted in R10 of 2010. He has played 18 games, won a Norwich Rising Star nom in 2010 and 2011. He is still learning the caper and developing his physique and maturity.

There are bigger issues than Gysberts at the moment.

Alot of sense there. I cant think of many footballers at MFC (or in the AFL) who pass the critieria of tackling an oncoming Franklin.

He is just 20 and debuted in R10 of 2010. He has played 18 games, won a Norwich Rising Star nom in 2010 and 2011. He is still learning the caper and developing his physique and maturity.

There are bigger issues than Gysberts at the moment.

I disagree, i think there are many MFC players who could tackle an oncoming Franklin. Moloney, Jones, Magner, Sylvia, Tapscott would all give him a run for his money. Trengove and Mckenzie would put up a solid contest and not be flicked off either. Some of these players are the same age as Gysberts, so the 'his only 20' remark doesn't do it for me.

The whole point of this though is that i do not think Neeld will give the Gys much gametime until otherwise. Personally I wouldn't want to see opposition midfielders running around flicking our mid fielders off the ball or running right past them.

Gys has alot of skill but until he has the urgency, body and improves the defensive side of his game, i think he will see alot of time at casey.

And yes, i know there are bigger issues, but its nice to talk about other things sometimes that arn't being spammed all over the newspapers.

On the subject of tackling...at 163cm Tony Liberatore is the undisputed tackling king.

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^{this is a sample,"Liberatore is recorded to have lain 1225 tackles in his careerNote, at an average of 4.39 tackles per game. Such high tackle counts were unheard of for a player of Liberatore's era, a time when the league average was 20-30 tackles per team per game. In 1992 he became the first player to lay 100 tackles in a season, and repeated the feat every season until 1996,no other player achieved the feat until 2001."}

From Training reports and many comments on this thread this boy does have some attributes. There has been much discussion about development and I believe here is a case in point.

Throwing him in front of Franklin may or may not develop him. I would think the support of players around him would indicate wether that is a good or bad thing.

Certainly there are games where the opponent and the structure of the team on that day could be suitable to allow him to benefit from his existing skills and improve them and other occasions where he may be sacrificed to be developed.

I think we should start sacking everyone we recruit as a matter of policy until they show up to training built like a tank .

I think we should start sacking everyone we recruit as a matter of policy until they show up to training built like a tank .

Maybe we should have recruited Phil Scully as a weight gain expert at the club. ( We could have paid him $200G)

Edited March 16, 201213 yr by Mgdee

I like The Gys he is a talented youngster and with the new coach and fitness team he will only improve. With his size and frame I think he is more likely to be a Pendlebury/Thomas type rather then the more solidly built mid fielders.

I disagree, i think there are many MFC players who could tackle an oncoming Franklin. Moloney, Jones, Magner, Sylvia, Tapscott would all give him a run for his money. Trengove and Mckenzie would put up a solid contest and not be flicked off either. Some of these players are the same age as Gysberts, so the 'his only 20' remark doesn't do it for me.

he whole point of this though is that i do not think Neeld will give the Gys much gametime until otherwise.

Last time I looked Moloney, Sylvia, Magner and Jones had all celebrated their 21st birthdays some years ago. Comparing apples and bananas arent we??? You have only backed my comment about development...Hmmm. And Tapscott is a large frame with issues about his game that at um 20 he needs to address through developement.

And Gysberts isnt the lost Cockatoo Collins triplet either. Glad you have cashed your chips so early

I think we should start sacking everyone we recruit as a matter of policy until they show up to training built like a tank .

LOL, Now there are some that would think........