Few names come to mind. Bate, Bennell are probably the ones calling for a demotion at the moment. Can't guarantee Nicholson or Strauss a game next week either.

Depends who's fit:

IN: Scully, Bartram, Jurrah

OUT: Gysberts (rested), Nicholson, Bennell

Bate can stay in as the sub, it won't really matter.

Few names come to mind. Bate, Bennell are probably the ones calling for a demotion at the moment. Can't guarantee Nicholson or Strauss a game next week either.

Why does Bate need to go ?

There were others who on today's game, should be considered before him.

Like today, we need some stronger bodies up front.

And, whilst he might just make the grade, he didn't do anything wrong today.

Depends who's fit:

IN: Scully, Bartram, Jurrah

OUT: Gysberts (rested), Nicholson, Bennell

Bate can stay in as the sub, it won't really matter.

These changes are good but Gysberts dropped! A lot of games where he does very little. 10 touches today and he was very bad and worried out of the game.

Shuffling the deckchairs. Sad.

We are going to get slaughtered!

OUTS- Bennell, Bate

INS- Macdonald, Jurrah,

I can't read Bailey any more, I can't see any discernible strategy. I thought that picking Bate & Dunn could only mean that we were putting "development" aside in order to give us more of a physical presence in the middle. But that's not how we used them. So why did we pick them in the first place?

And we don't seem to do a fraction of the research on the other team that they do on us. Clarkson matched his stars on our youngsters (e.g Hodge forward on Nicho), while we had the wrong defence for that forward line. We needed someone to sit on Burchill to stop them attacking from defence, but he had just as much a free run as we allowed Goddard & Bob Murphy when we let them smash us.

We seem to put in the same side irrespective of who we are playing. For example, Thompson & his Bombers showed everybody that the Cats' rebounding defenders don't like being matched up on, but whoever we choose on the forward line will leave Scarlett on his own the whole game and he'll destroy us.

So I don't see any changes, other than those forced by injury. Certainly no changes that will make the slightest difference against Geelong, because we don't have a plan to beat them.

Edited July 24, 201114 yr by Akum

Maybe we should do what Fremantle did last year and send the reserves team down the highway to get mauled by Geelong allowing the firsts to rest up for a red-hot crack at Carlton...

If we actually we lucky enough to play a Geelong 'home game' at the 'G then you might carry some faint hope but down there its a write-off.

Don't blame Bate the delivery was awful most of the time

Out: Gysberts (rested), Trengrove (rested), Dunn

In: Scully, McDonald, Jurrah

Trenners looked like he was going through the motions today, needs to freshen up for the Bluhs!

Why does Bate need to go ?

There were others who on today's game, should be considered before him.

Like today, we need some stronger bodies up front.

And, whilst he might just make the grade, he didn't do anything wrong today.

Good post!

Why does everyone knife the redhead-should have been in our best

OUTS Bennell ,Gysberts ,Garland ( let them get some form in the 2s)

INS Scully ,MacDonald ,Warnock( one more chance or LJ if fit)

Edited July 24, 201114 yr by Captain Jack Jordan

I can't read Bailey any more, I can't see any discernible strategy. I thought that picking Bate & Dunn could only mean that we were putting "development" aside in order to give us more of a physical presence in the middle. But that's not how we used them. So why did we pick them in the first place?

We picked Bate to replace Jurrah as a tall forward and we picked Dunn to come in for Petterd who went into the midfield when we lost Scully.

Who else do you think we should have picked? Evans and Bartram came out of the squad, after those guys it was pretty much Blease or one of the young talls. Bailey opted for the best 22, which is never the worst idea.

Hopefully any/all of Scully, Macdonald, Bartram, Jurrah, Davey will be back soon which will help all areas of the ground and make competition for spots a lot tougher.

At the moment we are facing a similar problem to before the last Carlton game, in that we are running thin on depth. It's a problem we've been open to all year due to cleaning out pretty strongly last year and then picking a lot of talls in the draft which means we don't get the instant increase in ready to go players.

We picked Bate to replace Jurrah as a tall forward and we picked Dunn to come in for Petterd who went into the midfield when we lost Scully.

Who else do you think we should have picked? Evans and Bartram came out of the squad, after those guys it was pretty much Blease or one of the young talls. Bailey opted for the best 22, which is never the worst idea.

Hopefully any/all of Scully, Macdonald, Bartram, Jurrah, Davey will be back soon which will help all areas of the ground and make competition for spots a lot tougher.

At the moment we are facing a similar problem to before the last Carlton game, in that we are running thin on depth. It's a problem we've been open to all year due to cleaning out pretty strongly last year and then picking a lot of talls in the draft which means we don't get the instant increase in ready to go players.

Bate and Dunn Showed they aren't finished as players yet .

Collingwood has Brown ,T.Cloke ,Leon Davis and Buckley in their team

All duds for years on end until now

Bate and Dunn Showed they aren't finished as players yet .

Collingwood has Brown ,T.Cloke ,Leon Davis and Buckley in their team

All duds for years on end until now

Agree with Brown and Buckley. Cloke won a Copeland at 20 and Davis was a good goalsneak who dropped off but reinvented himself as a half-back.

Bate and Dunn Showed they aren't finished as players yet .

Collingwood has Brown ,T.Cloke ,Leon Davis and Buckley in their team

All duds for years on end until now

Collingwood are also the best team in the league, which makes it pretty easy to carry a couple.

Cloke was always a promising key forward, he just had a couple of ups and downs. Davis could always play. Leigh Brown would still be a dud in most sides in most positions, but Collingwood invented a role he could succeed in. Buckley was never finished as an AFL player, he just got delisted, there are many success stories of young players getting recycled.

Dunn is not finished. As a 3rd tall he is very mobile, has a good long kick and can do negating roles. He is simply in a race for similar positions as Green, Howe, Jurrah and Petterd. Bate is finished. I'm happy for him to keep his spot next week but tell me if you were a recruiter watching him play you'd say he's not up to the level. If you can think of a position he could swap to and succeed in then I'm open to ideas, but it seems to me that half forward is his best go.

Edited July 24, 201114 yr by the master

These changes are good but Gysberts dropped! A lot of games where he does very little. 10 touches today and he was very bad and worried out of the game.

Gysberts has been shaky, up & down all this his 2nd Year. He needs a rest IMO to re energise. (out for Scully.)

Bate out for Jurrah.

Maric out for Bennell

Joel McDonald in for Dunn.

Evans in for Nicho to Sub:

I can't read Bailey any more, I can't see any discernible strategy. I thought that picking Bate & Dunn could only mean that we were putting "development" aside in order to give us more of a physical presence in the middle. But that's not how we used them. So why did we pick them in the first place?

And we don't seem to do a fraction of the research on the other team that they do on us. Clarkson matched his stars on our youngsters (e.g Hodge forward on Nicho), while we had the wrong defence for that forward line. We needed someone to sit on Burchill to stop them attacking from defence, but he had just as much a free run as we allowed Goddard & Bob Murphy when we let them smash us.

We seem to put in the same side irrespective of who we are playing. For example, Thompson & his Bombers showed everybody that the Cats' rebounding defenders don't like being matched up on, but whoever we choose on the forward line will leave Scarlett on his own the whole game and he'll destroy us.

So I don't see any changes, other than those forced by injury. Certainly no changes that will make the slightest difference against Geelong, because we don't have a plan to beat them.

Fresh legs while we rested some.

Bate and Dunn Showed they aren't finished as players yet .

Collingwood has Brown ,T.Cloke ,Leon Davis and Buckley in their team

All duds for years on end until now

One will go @ years end? They were IMO competing for today.

Collingwood are also the best team in the league, which makes it pretty easy to carry a couple.

Cloke was always a promising key forward, he just had a couple of ups and downs. Davis could always play. Leigh Brown would still be a dud in most sides in most positions, but Collingwood invented a role he could succeed in. Buckley was never finished as an AFL player, he just got delisted, there are many success stories of young players getting recycled.

Dunn is not finished. As a 3rd tall he is very mobile, has a good long kick and can do negating roles. He is simply in a race for similar positions as Green, Howe, Jurrah and Petterd. Bate is finished. I'm happy for him to keep his spot next week but tell me if you were a recruiter watching him play you'd say he's not up to the level. If you can think of a position he could swap to and succeed in then I'm open to ideas, but it seems to me that half forward is his best go.

Still the toughest spot to play but maybe he can improve .

I've never seen him embarrass himself yet in terms of effort .

He's better than Leigh Brown ,Chris Tarrant and numerous other premiership players .

We've put so much into him.

Travis Cloke was a hack for a long time -getting some easy ball now .

Bate and Dunn performed better than I expected them to. Which is easy, given I expected them to play horrendously. Instead they played mediocrely. They both had a couple of moments, but in general I'm still unconvinced on both counts and I don't like that they're in the side.

However, the first player to go is Maric. He was utterly woeful today. His defensive work is non-existent, he doesn't run hard enough (more than once I sighted him merely ambling into position; this kind of attitude is why any attempt at a forward press falls apart for us) and he doesn't get enough of the ball, nor do anything special with it. I'm done with him, he's not good enough. Goodbye.

Bennell isn't much better, Strauss isn't having much of an influence offensively, and Gysberts turns it over every time he gets it.

As for replacements, well who is there? Davey? MacDonald? Evans? Bartram? Blease? Scully? I have no idea who is fit and/or ready to come in, but there are spots available, that's for sure.

Still the toughest spot to play but maybe he can improve .

I've never seen him embarrass himself yet in terms of effort .

He's better than Leigh Brown ,Chris Tarrant and numerous other premiership players .

We've put so much into him.

Travis Cloke was a hack for a long time -getting some easy ball now .

Disagree. Putting in effort is all well and good but if he doesn't have the skillset required, he's useless.

Travis Cloke was never a hack. He was just a young player - like Watts in fact - finding his feet. Best contested mark in the comp now.

BAtram has to come, our backline with the headless chook (nicohlson) and Dear in the headlights (Strauss) is far to loose and just leaks goals. He is the tightest defender we have, sooner him and MAcdonald come back the better our defence will be. Lets not worry to much about the running rebound.

Maric. He was utterly woeful today.

I can't defend Maric after today's performance, banish him to Casey until he's willing to put in some effort.

However, the first player to go is Maric...

This.

These changes are good but Gysberts dropped! A lot of games where he does very little. 10 touches today and he was very bad and worried out of the game.

You can't be serious mate? I reckon if you looked over the game again you'd see a lot of players were in a similar boat to him. And as for a lot of games where he does very little? He's one of our best younger players, what do you expect from him? 30 touches every week? He wasn't superb today but a long way off being dropped for his efforts. I think you'll find he deserves to be 'rested' as opposed to 'dropped'.

I do not care what anyone says we need a big target up front and that is why Gawn has to play for the rest of the year. It will also help Watts and Jurrah. Gawn also provides the added bonus of being able to go in the ruck as well. Martin can go down back or play as a ruck rover.

If Gawn had came into the side today instead of Bennell with Bate as sub we would have been a lot better off. Martin would have been a big help down back. Plus Gawn would have at least given us a better option up front allowing other players to play off him.

The big problem we have is that Bailey does not have a clue how to select a side that allows us to play to our advantage. I remind those that think Gawn is just another big bloke. He is taller than most so needs to be watched. Max is very agile for a big guy and has the ability to contest the ball at ground level. He does not get any shorter in the last quarter. Plus he is a very good tap ruckman if need in the forward line.