The No T$ No B$ Thread

[Redleg 41,627]

On 2/17/2019 at 6:21 PM, hemingway said:

Needs to be split up due to age, demographic, religious or non religious beliefs, behaviour, manner of speech, intelligence, education, social class, residential address, special interests, gender, alcohol and illicit drug preferences,  etc. 

I was talking about spending it on a new home.

[old dee 23,879]

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

I was talking about spending it on a new home.

AS I said previously Mr. Leg we don't have anywhere to spend it.

There is no location now or in the medium term.

[hemingway 7,633]

6 hours ago, Redleg said:

I was talking about spending it on a new home.

Oh, I see.

What suburb are you looking in Red? 

Inner hipsville, old money or new money suburb, comfortable old middle class suburb, outer aspirational suburb, or new corridor growth suburb ?

Obviously near a very good greengrocer that can source the best bananas. 

 

 

[old dee 23,879]

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

Oh, I see.

What suburb are you looking in Red? 

Inner hipsville, old money or new money suburb, comfortable old middle class suburb, outer aspirational suburb, or new corridor growth suburb ?

Obviously near a very good greengrocer that can source the best bananas. 

 

 

Unless I am mistaken Ernest he was referring to a "home" for the MFC. Unless we move to the outer suburbs then we will be on Goschs paddock for the foreseeable future.

[beelzebub 23,383]

22 minutes ago, old dee said:

Unless I am mistaken Ernest he was referring to a "home" for the MFC. Unless we move to the outer suburbs then we will be on Goschs paddock for the foreseeable future.

Oh I dunno....I reckon a bit of land might appear at Docklands in the not too distant future ?????

[hemingway 7,633]

51 minutes ago, old dee said:

Unless I am mistaken Ernest he was referring to a "home" for the MFC. Unless we move to the outer suburbs then we will be on Goschs paddock for the foreseeable future.

Oh, I thought Red and Mrs Leg were looking for a new home!  Thought he was downsizing or looking to expand to house lots of other Legs. 

[hemingway 7,633]

31 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Oh I dunno....I reckon a bit of land might appear at Docklands in the not too distant future ?????

Reckon your right Bub. 

[old dee 23,879]

50 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Oh I dunno....I reckon a bit of land might appear at Docklands in the not too distant future ?????

Rather stay at Goschs, at least it is close to the MCG.  IMO any social club that is that far from our playing ground will get nine tenths of bugger all patronage. That element won't worry me because I don't need a social facility but for a  seemly large number of members it is vital. Win on QB game Monday and who is going to troop to ducklands?

[hemingway 7,633]

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Rather stay at Goschs, at least it is close to the MCG.  IMO any social club that is that far from our playing ground will get nine tenths of bugger all patronage. That element won't worry me because I don't need a social facility but for a  seemly large number of members it is vital. Win on QB game Monday and who is going to troop to ducklands?

A future at Goschs Paddock is not a future.  No security of tenure, a gym complex shared by others and no sense that we have a training or high class facility. Just not sustainable.  Location is great but it’s not going to happen there. We missed out on other key venues such as the Olympic Complex and like all other clubs bar Collingwood, Richmond and Carlton we will have to compromise. It’s about having control over our own first rate professional set up, it’s not about a social club that will only appeal to a few lonely middle aged males. 

 

[beelzebub 23,383]

4 hours ago, old dee said:

Rather stay at Goschs, at least it is close to the MCG.  IMO any social club that is that far from our playing ground will get nine tenths of bugger all patronage. That element won't worry me because I don't need a social facility but for a  seemly large number of members it is vital. Win on QB game Monday and who is going to troop to ducklands?

OD...I couldn't give a rat's about a social club.  That's all a bit 70/80's 

Happy for the club to have decent digs to train

[old dee 23,879]

9 hours ago, beelzebub said:

OD...I couldn't give a rat's about a social club.  That's all a bit 70/80's 

Happy for the club to have decent digs to train

Could not agree more bb but that does not seem to be the wish of the majority of members. They seem to want a social club. As there is no credible alternative at present then it is Goschs.

 

[old dee 23,879]

12 hours ago, hemingway said:

A future at Goschs Paddock is not a future.  No security of tenure, a gym complex shared by others and no sense that we have a training or high class facility. Just not sustainable.  Location is great but it’s not going to happen there. We missed out on other key venues such as the Olympic Complex and like all other clubs bar Collingwood, Richmond and Carlton we will have to compromise. It’s about having control over our own first rate professional set up, it’s not about a social club that will only appeal to a few lonely middle aged males. 

 

So where Ernest? In the absence of any credible alternative we are there for some time yet.

Edited February 20, 2019 by old dee

[beelzebub 23,383]

41 minutes ago, old dee said:

Could not agree more bb but that does not seem to be the wish of the majority of members. They seem to want a social club. As there is no credible alternative at present then it is Goschs.

 

And I reckon most WOULDN'T use it...just like the 'idea'

[hemingway 7,633]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

So where Ernest? In the absence of any credible alternative we are there for some time yet.

Agreed OD, we are at GP for the present, but Pert is there to find us a home. But it is going to be difficult with Yarra Park seemingly unacceptable. 

Taking public land is a problem and going to draw major objections from many.  Although this did not stop Collingwood or Tennis Australia on their occupation and expansion on public hand. But I reckon the bird has flown. The reality is that most public land in central Melbourne is simply not there other than existing established parkland.  And it's going to be difficult to fund the acquisition of private land. In addition, central Melbourne and suburban Melbourne (other than outer Melbourne) have simply run out of space.

Perhaps, the Club could take over an existing suburban footy ground and develop it as a community asset a la the Bulldogs. However, we already have Casey. So from a practical and financial viewpoint Casey is the obvious location.  We have already spent a lot of money and invested in community and municipal relationship building.   

I don't know about the availability of space at Docklands, but this is the other obvious location if you wanted a site in central Melbourne. Docklands is now an extension of Melbourne central and become a commercial and residential hub serviced by trams and Southern Cross. 

Supporter viewpoints are influenced by where they live and what they consider as their "hood." Folks living out East will prefer Casey to Docklands but not folks from the West or North.  I use Southern Cross regularly, so Docklands would be my preference but there you go. I would go to Docklands but not to Casey. 

The end result will occur from a balance of financial and community considerations, together with Government/municipal approval, and planning approvals etc.  Outcomes will need to be negotiated and compromises reached.

That tells you that the outcome is not going to be perfect. Consider the Hawks. They went from Glenferrie Oval to Waverley Park and now to Dingley.

[old dee 23,879]

33 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Agreed OD, we are at GP for the present, but Pert is there to find us a home. But it is going to be difficult with Yarra Park seemingly unacceptable. 

Taking public land is a problem and going to draw major objections from many.  Although this did not stop Collingwood or Tennis Australia on their occupation and expansion on public hand. But I reckon the bird has flown. The reality is that most public land in central Melbourne is simply not there other than existing established parkland.  And it's going to be difficult to fund the acquisition of private land. In addition, central Melbourne and suburban Melbourne (other than outer Melbourne) have simply run out of space.

Perhaps, the Club could take over an existing suburban footy ground and develop it as a community asset a la the Bulldogs. However, we already have Casey. So from a practical and financial viewpoint Casey is the obvious location.  We have already spent a lot of money and invested in community and municipal relationship building.   

I don't know about the availability of space at Docklands, but this is the other obvious location if you wanted a site in central Melbourne. Docklands is now an extension of Melbourne central and become a commercial and residential hub serviced by trams and Southern Cross. 

Supporter viewpoints are influenced by where they live and what they consider as their "hood." Folks living out East will prefer Casey to Docklands but not folks from the West or North.  I use Southern Cross regularly, so Docklands would be my preference but there you go. I would go to Docklands but not to Casey. 

The end result will occur from a balance of financial and community considerations, together with Government/municipal approval, and planning approvals etc.  Outcomes will need to be negotiated and compromises reached.

That tells you that the outcome is not going to be perfect. Consider the Hawks. They went from Glenferrie Oval to Waverley Park and now to Dingley.

Agree with all that Ernest but it would appear, you me and BB are at odds with the vast majority. Like BB said I just want good training facilities for the playing group where it is to be honest I don't care. The club seems to be locked into something close to the MCG. That bird has flown IMO so the saga drags on.

[Redleg 41,627]

On 2/20/2019 at 3:18 PM, old dee said:

AS I said previously Mr. Leg we don't have anywhere to spend it.

There is no location now or in the medium term.

As far as you know. Who knows what deals might be done behind the scenes.

[Redleg 41,627]

On 2/20/2019 at 5:47 PM, hemingway said:

Oh, I see.

What suburb are you looking in Red? 

Inner hipsville, old money or new money suburb, comfortable old middle class suburb, outer aspirational suburb, or new corridor growth suburb ?

Obviously near a very good greengrocer that can source the best bananas. 

 

 

I am not looking, the club is. 

[Whispering_Jack 30,753]

On 2/21/2019 at 11:08 AM, hemingway said:

Consider the Hawks. They went from Glenferrie Oval to Waverley Park and now to Dingley.

They’re going around in circles. 

[old dee 23,879]

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

They’re going around in circles. 

We should have such a bar circle for the last half century WJ!

[old dee 23,879]

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

As far as you know. Who knows what deals might be done behind the scenes.

If you restrict your thinking to near the MCG then the two alternatives are Yarra Park  too many problems it will never get approval.. and Goschs paddock. Again I cannot see that area getting the necessary planning changes either. Net result nowhere to spend money. We are just going to have the win flags from the current facilities this decade. It is achievable with this group. Perhaps a docklands alternative? The options are then the suburbs. 

Edited February 23, 2019 by old dee

[Moonshadow 17,677]

This area of docklands has been cleared and is ripe for the picking. Stones throw from CBD. Imagine a training ground the size of MCG, a gym, 50m swimming pool, large indoor open area for closed sessions and, of course, an administrative centre.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,101]

On 2/20/2019 at 5:57 PM, beelzebub said:

Oh I dunno....I reckon a bit of land might appear at Docklands in the not too distant future ?????

Moses going to part the red-and-blue sea and lead us to the Promised Land? I like it, BB ... ??

[daisycutter 29,756]

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

This area of docklands has been cleared and is ripe for the picking. Stones throw from CBD. Imagine a training ground the size of MCG, a gym, 50m swimming pool, large indoor open area for closed sessions and, of course, an administrative centre.

straight line, halfway between docklands stadium and norf's arden st ground

nah...........boot the filth to coode island and we take over olympic park

[Redleg 41,627]

On 2/20/2019 at 11:27 PM, hemingway said:

A future at Goschs Paddock is not a future.  No security of tenure, a gym complex shared by others and no sense that we have a training or high class facility. Just not sustainable.  Location is great but it’s not going to happen there. We missed out on other key venues such as the Olympic Complex and like all other clubs bar Collingwood, Richmond and Carlton we will have to compromise. It’s about having control over our own first rate professional set up, it’s not about a social club that will only appeal to a few lonely middle aged males. 

 

Agree, especially the bit about the social club. That is not where the money is made, nor is it an element needed for on field success.

[old dee 23,879]

48 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Agree, especially the bit about the social club. That is not where the money is made, nor is it an element needed for on field success.

So Docklands it is. I am always intrigued by the area known as north Melbourne when it is clearly West Melbourne. Not sure what our founders were thinking.