you should reread the previous posts and link

I thought it was explained adequately

the stronger opponents (he had a light frame) caused him to do bulk-up weights

He didn't strengthen all the required muscles in a balanced way

Hence he had an imbalance placing extra strain on groin

It was only minor and should be easily remedied

Not too hard to follow

uh... Considering that still doesn't make any sense - yeah, it is hard to follow when you make stupid arguments.

Bulking up and opponents have had nothing to do with him getting OP, even if he does have it.

Your imaginary links are meaningless.

Pretty sure Core strength comes from a little rubber band you wear on your wrist. I could, however, be wrong.

hey, it's the proven power of hologram technology.

uh... Considering that still doesn't make any sense - yeah, it is hard to follow when you make stupid arguments.

Bulking up and opponents have had nothing to do with him getting OP, even if he does have it.

Your imaginary links are meaningless.

as usual you must be right

hey, it's the proven power of hologram technology.

When placed strategically they make you last longer as well.

as usual you must be right

If Gysberts had actually put on some considerable bulk, it might be an influencing factor.

But he hasn't.

If Gysberts had actually put on some considerable bulk, it might be an influencing factor.

But he hasn't.

It was hypothetical

Read what the OP said "I heard from a family friend of his (who could still be wrong i guess)"

It is just common sense that if a player focussed on one muscle group AND ignored a related muscle group that this could cause a strain to that muscle group

I have no idea whether Gysberts has a slight OP condition or not

But no doubt you will have the last say

It was hypothetical

Read what the OP said "I heard from a family friend of his (who could still be wrong i guess)"

It is just common sense that if a player focussed on one muscle group AND ignored a related muscle group that this could cause a strain to that muscle group

I have no idea whether Gysberts has a slight OP condition or not

But no doubt you will have the last say

Understand what you are saying Daisy but you would hope the fitness/weight trainers at an elite level sporting club would know better than to let that happen.

Haha I'm happy to let you have that one.

It proves you haven't a clue.

Understand what you are saying Daisy but you would hope the fitness/weight trainers at an elite level sporting club would know better than to let that happen.

agreed, you would hope so, but they are not perfect and anyway players don't always follow instructions either

but in principle you are right

Um, do you know what you're talking about???? http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/24/1058853197167.html

Great riposte (or should that be ri-post). I thought weights and too big a load was a key cause of OP but would have nver found the proof. To quote from the link you provided:

"The condition is generally considered to be brought on by heavy loads being placed on the major muscles of the hips and pelvis. Young players are especially prone because the hip area is the last area of the body to develop and the training regimes of players looking to be drafted to an AFL club focus too heavily on bulking up major muscles before the body has finished growing."

Funny when someone feels they can have a shot at someone ala "do you know what you're talking about" and get it so wrong

I heard on SEN1116 today a possible trade: WARNOCK for KOZI I for one think this would be a definate win win for both parties.

I heard on SEN1116 today a possible trade: WARNOCK for KOZI I for one think this would be a definate win win for both parties.

This one actually makes sense. Should it be in this thread?

I heard on SEN1116 today a possible trade: WARNOCK for KOZI I for one think this would be a definate win win for both parties.

Spud for good fringe defender?

Win/lose. We're the losing side.

How he won a friggin' Rising Star award I'll never know

Great riposte (or should that be ri-post). I thought weights and too big a load was a key cause of OP but would have nver found the proof. To quote from the link you provided:

"The condition is generally considered to be brought on by heavy loads being placed on the major muscles of the hips and pelvis. Young players are especially prone because the hip area is the last area of the body to develop and the training regimes of players looking to be drafted to an AFL club focus too heavily on bulking up major muscles before the body has finished growing."

Funny when someone feels they can have a shot at someone ala "do you know what you're talking about" and get it so wrong

Uh... That's overworking your muscles in an effort to build strength.

NOT trying to bulk up because you are getting beat up by mature bodied opposition.

Still, people will hear what they want to hear.

Spud for good fringe defender?

Win/lose. We're the losing side.

How he won a friggin' Rising Star award I'll never know

Hard to see much sense in this trade, Kozi is too old, inconsistant, and has never realised his potential (like too many others on our list already) so you wouldn't think he'd be on the FD's radar but as an interim measure it may have some basis in reality

Uh... That's overworking your muscles in an effort to build strength.

NOT trying to bulk up because you are getting beat up by mature bodied opposition.

Still, people will hear what they want to hear.

At the risk of entering in one of the silly [censored] for tat threads i would have thought that building strength would be exactly what a young player would do in order to match it with "mature bodied opposition", particualry one who was thrust into the midfield in his first few AFL matches(against the might of Geelong's midfield in his first match one might add) rather than say half back. The original post intimated Gysbert realised he needed to "build strength" if he was to match it with other AFL mids, not an unreasonable view. Given he was probabaly dead keen to make the most of his chance, with Skullgove ahead of him in the pecking order, it is alaso not unreasonable to suspect he may have pushed a little hard in the gym to build that strength in order to maximise his chance of staying in the side.

I heard on SEN1116 today a possible trade: WARNOCK for KOZI I for one think this would be a definate win win for both parties.

Matthews said on the telecast of the Freo - Blues game that the one big hole for Carlton was the lack of a big key defender. Given his brother plays there what chance a trade with the blues, Warnock (and perhaps a draft pick and McNamara/Cheney) for say Lachie Henderson

Matthews said on the telecast of the Freo - Blues game that the one big hole for Carlton was the lack of a big key defender. Given his brother plays there what chance a trade with the blues, Warnock (and perhaps a draft pick and McNamara/Cheney) for say Lachie Henderson

Hard to see them parting with Henderson after only picking him up last year, but I'd be pretty happy with a deal like that

Matthews said on the telecast of the Freo - Blues game that the one big hole for Carlton was the lack of a big key defender. Given his brother plays there what chance a trade with the blues, Warnock (and perhaps a draft pick and McNamara/Cheney) for say Lachie Henderson

We should have tried to get involved with that deal last year.

I heard on SEN1116 today a possible trade: WARNOCK for KOZI I for one think this would be a definate win win for both parties.

Not the worst thing I have heard. Kosi might be a bit hit or miss but he is a big body that we need at the moment. If we picked him up for not much then I'm happy to endorse it.

This one actually makes sense. Should it be in this thread?

While I'm no fan of Warnock, trading him for Kosi is a no. He has no awareness and I don't see the point in going after him when we've just delisted Bell another player with no awareness. Granted Kosi is a tall but hasn't performed for aeons. I'd still consider other offers though....

While I'm no fan of Warnock, trading him for Kosi is a no. He has no awareness and I don't see the point in going after him when we've just delisted Bell another player with no awareness. Granted Kosi is a tall but hasn't performed for aeons. I'd still consider other offers though....

Warnock for Kozi i wouldn't be happy with, but the idea is right... ie trading our fringe Key defender for a big bodied forward/ruckman

Warnock i would keep as very good depth unless a seriously good trade was possible, and Kozi isn't a seriously good trade. Neither is a guy like David Hale... those kind of trades would be like us trading in Ben Holland, where you get someone servicable, but you don't get a player who can really take the club forward.

Warnock + 2nd round ---> Mitch Clarke.... that is a seriously good trade i would consider since it would solve 2 big defficiencies in one, a really good big-bodied forward option + genuinely good 2nd ruckman

Warnock for Kozi i wouldn't be happy with, but the idea is right... ie trading our fringe Key defender for a big bodied forward/ruckman

Warnock i would keep as very good depth unless a seriously good trade was possible, and Kozi isn't a seriously good trade. Neither is a guy like David Hale... those kind of trades would be like us trading in Ben Holland, where you get someone servicable, but you don't get a player who can really take the club forward.

Warnock + 2nd round ---> Mitch Clarke.... that is a seriously good trade i would consider since it would solve 2 big defficiencies in one, a really good big-bodied forward option + genuinely good 2nd ruckman

As stated previously Clark is the ideal player for us. Given a fair trade we should pursue this with vigor.

Matthews said on the telecast of the Freo - Blues game that the one big hole for Carlton was the lack of a big key defender. Given his brother plays there what chance a trade with the blues, Warnock (and perhaps a draft pick and McNamara/Cheney) for say Lachie Henderson

Tell him he's dreaming. No way will blues let henderson go.

Warnock for Kozi i wouldn't be happy with, but the idea is right... ie trading our fringe Key defender for a big bodied forward/ruckman

Warnock i would keep as very good depth unless a seriously good trade was possible, and Kozi isn't a seriously good trade. Neither is a guy like David Hale... those kind of trades would be like us trading in Ben Holland, where you get someone servicable, but you don't get a player who can really take the club forward.

Warnock + 2nd round ---> Mitch Clarke.... that is a seriously good trade i would consider since it would solve 2 big defficiencies in one, a really good big-bodied forward option + genuinely good 2nd ruckman

Agree. This one could be realistic. That way we could still get a KPF like cook or lynch in the draft as a first rounder.