A few years ago, Hawthorn had their line in the sand mellee with Essendon, instigated by was it Vandenberg?

It was said after the 08 GF that this was their turning point, where the teams attitude changed.

I'm not promoting violence or a bit of biff, but when and what will our defining moment be where we stand up for ourselves, and not roll over and take the opposition's crap. As highlighted in other threads, we have no confidence.

I restrained myself from writing numerous scathing posts after yesterdays game, but the thing I was most disappointed about was that Green was one of only a very small handful of players to stand up to the Hawks, and to show some ticker. Forget him being our next captain - he should be our current one!

A few years ago, Hawthorn had their line in the sand mellee with Essendon, instigated by was it Vandenberg?

It was said after the 08 GF that this was their turning point, where the teams attitude changed.

I'm not promoting violence or a bit of biff, but when and what will our defining moment be where we stand up for ourselves, and not roll over and take the opposition's crap. As highlighted in other threads, we have no confidence.

I restrained myself from writing numerous scathing posts after yesterdays game, but the thing I was most disappointed about was that Green was one of only a very small handful of players to stand up to the Hawks, and to show some ticker. Forget him being our next captain - he should be our current one!

Agree we need something to win back some respect.

Right at this point our guy's are not physically capable of providing the biff.

We would be beaten up badly & careers can get destroyed in one act of random violence (John Greening for those old enough to remember)

As much as Junior has been a servicable player (Peaked with all AA) he is not the right fit for skipper.

We need a tough physical presence eg:Carey, Hall, J.Brown as captain.

Yes the options are not great however we need someone to not only set the example but to provide a intimidating presence.

Sylvia in 2011 anyone? Had his offield problems as a kid however surely he has matured to be considered.

Edited March 28, 201016 yr by Old Man Rivers

A few years ago, Hawthorn had their line in the sand mellee with Essendon, instigated by was it Vandenberg?

It was said after the 08 GF that this was their turning point, where the teams attitude changed.

I'm not promoting violence or a bit of biff, but when and what will our defining moment be where we stand up for ourselves, and not roll over and take the opposition's crap. As highlighted in other threads, we have no confidence.

I restrained myself from writing numerous scathing posts after yesterdays game, but the thing I was most disappointed about was that Green was one of only a very small handful of players to stand up to the Hawks, and to show some ticker. Forget him being our next captain - he should be our current one!

I have been thinking similar thoughts and have had discussions with mates regarding the same things you mentioned. I think that it is one of our biggest problems that the experienced players just don't have enough desire, mongrel, ticker, balls (call it what you want) to put any doubt in the oppositions minds. I really don't care as a member of the club if the players ability doesn't match the opponents, I just want to see the club instill a culture of hardness at the ball and opponent. As a team we are far to soft mentally and physically. It's time for the Dees to start playing their own brand of unsociable football and if the current players can't do it the club should bring in players that can.

It's very disappointing when some players won't even make an opponent 'earn it' with some body contact or even just the threat of body contact in a marking contest. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall watching some of the replays between coaches and players in the following week.

There was some great tackling on display at times however, I recall Beamer and Scully making some big hard hits - reminded me of some of Colin Sylvia's stopping work. Just not enough pressure across the board.

BRING BACK THE BIFF!

I think it is hard for this team to be physical due to half of them just getting out of high school. Some kids (Daniel Rich) were made for footy, other take some time to develop.

It is our senior guys (that includes bate, dunn, petterd and some of the guys who have been around for a few seasons now)that need to provide the hard stuff.

Scully and Trenners went at it hard, and they are kids!

We need to start drafting kids that eat concrete and love to bring the hurt to the opposing team.

Clean out your soft Vets (wont name names as it is frowned upon, but you all know who I am talking about)and bring back the biff

I was thinking this yesterday, at some stage our players and coaches must draw that line in the sand. At some stage the players need to say to each other we are sick and tired of losing, you have two choices leave the club or have a red hot crack, take the game on be positive and yes when someone starts to push us around push them back twice as hard. We as supporters understand where the club is at but we can't keep accepting bad performances

Edited March 28, 201016 yr by drdrake

We need to start drafting kids that eat concrete and love to bring the hurt to the opposing team.

thats what im hearing about Todd Viney's son, he is suppose to be as tough as nails and takes no sh!t from no one

As much as Junior has been a servicable player (Peaked with all AA) he is not the right fit for skipper

Sorry, do you attend every team meeting and training session do you?

What ever happened to that hard at it, stand up for your mates, clean every and any one up when you can(within the rules), have defenders watching their backs when standing in his leading space BRAD MILLER?

Also Rivers used to have so much mongrel in him he was starting spot fires every 2 minutes on the ground.

WHERE HAS THE MONGREL GONE AT MFC

BRING BACK THE BIFF!

I think it is hard for this team to be physical due to half of them just getting out of high school. Some kids (Daniel Rich) were made for footy, other take some time to develop.

It is our senior guys (that includes bate, dunn, petterd and some of the guys who have been around for a few seasons now)that need to provide the hard stuff.

Scully and Trenners went at it hard, and they are kids!

We need to start drafting kids that eat concrete and love to bring the hurt to the opposing team.

Clean out your soft Vets (wont name names as it is frowned upon, but you all know who I am talking about)and bring back the biff

Imagine Bruce or Davey in a biff???

Imagine Bruce or Davey in a biff???

LOL!

This team hasn't had the biff since Northey left and they got the stuffing punched out of them in the 2000 GF. There's some sort of post - traumatic stress syndrome that seems to be festering.

Similar to my other post, look at how many ferral Hawks players were running around yesterday. Frightening.