from FOOTYWIRE - http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-melbourne-demons

No Name Games Age Date of Birth Height Weight Origin Position

41 Bail, Rohan 1 21yr 2mth26 Jun 1988-183cm 91kg Mt Gravatt Midfield

- 3 Bartram, Clint 59 21yr 6mth16 Feb 1988-181cm 73kg Geelong Falcons Defender

- 6 Bate, Matthew 68 22yr 3mth24 May 1987-192cm 90kg Eastern Ranges Forward

21 Bell, Daniel 66 24yr 4mth13 Apr 1985-186cm 89kg Glenelg Defender

43 Bennell, Jamie 16 19yr 2mth7 Jun 1990-179cm 68kg Swan Districts Midfield

46 Blease, Sam 0 18yr 6mth19 Feb 1991-184cm 70kg Eastern Ranges Midfield

32 Bruce, Cameron 203 29yr 11mth30 Sep 1979-190cm 85kg MHSOB Midfield

- 1 Buckley, Simon 21 22yr 4mth18 Apr 1987-189cm 87kg San'ham Dragons Defender

25 Cheney, Kyle 12 20yr 25 Aug 1989-184cm 86kg North Ballarat Rebels Defender

36 Davey, Aaron 119 25yr 10mth6 Oct 1983-177cm 72kg Port Melbourne Forward

14 Dunn, Lynden 52 22yr 3mth14 May 1987-192cm 90kg Calder Cannons Midfield

- 8 Frawley, James 40 20yr 11mth20 Sep 1988-193cm 82kg Nth Ballarat Defender

20 Garland, Colin 20 21yr 4mth24 Apr 1988-191cm 84kg Tassie Mariners Defender

18 Green, Brad 198 28yr 5mth13 Mar 1981-184cm 82kg Northern Knights Midfield

16 Grimes, Jack 12 20yr 3mth11 May 1989-186cm 81kg Northern Knights Defender

50 Healey, Rhys ® 0 19yr 4mth13 Apr 1990-185cm 78kg Bendigo Pioneers M'fld F/wrd

38 Hughes, Danny ® 00 22yr 10mth12 Oct 1986-186cm 82kg $plyr. Forward

40 Jamar, Mark 73 25yr 11mth8 Sep 1983-198cm 103kg North Adelaide Ruck

39 Jetta, Neville 15 19yr 6mth12 Feb 1990-180cm 77kg Swan Districts Midfield

11 Johnson, Paul 61 25yr 2mth26 Jun 1984-199cm 105kg D/nong Stingrays Ruck

- 2 Jones, Nathan 70 21yr 7mth20 Jan 1988-180cm 81kg D/nong Stingrays Midfield

48 Jurrah, Liam 9 20yr 11mth23 Sep 1988-188cm 78kg Yuendumu Magpies Forward

19 Maric, Addam 11 19yr 4mth18 Apr 1990-177cm 76kg Calder Cannons Forward

33 Martin, Stefan 27 22yr 9mth17 Nov 1986-198cm 97kg Sandringham Defender

23 McDonald, James 235 33yr 3mth10 May 1976-180cm 75kg Nth B/rat Rebels M/fld

49 McKenzie, Jordie ® 3 19yr 2mth21 Jun 1990-186cm 71kg Geelong Falcons Midfield

- 5 McLean, Brock 94 22yr 10mth3 Nov 1986-184cm 86kg Calder Cannons Midfield

30 McNamara, Tom 3 19yr 4mth29 Apr 1990-190cm 84kg South Adelaide Defender

26 Meesen, John 6 23yr 2mth20 Jun 1986-200cm 95kg Geelong Falcons Ruck

-7 Miller, Brad 127 26yr 2mth7 Jun 1983-194cm 96kg Mt Gravatt Forward

22 Moloney, Brent 90 25yr 7mth28 Jan 1984-182cm 88kg Geelong Falcons Midfield

10 Morton, Cale 40 19yr 7mth18 Jan 1990-191cm 78kg Claremont Midfield

29 Newton, Michael 21 22yr 4mth27 Apr 1987-193cm 90kg Murray B/rangers Forward

15 Petterd, Ricky 29 21yr 1mth24 Jul 1988-185cm 78kg Broadbeach Defender M/field

27 Rivers, Jared 90 24yr 10mth18 Oct 1984-192cm 92kg North Adelaide Defender

24 Robertson, Russell 228 30yr 9mth24 Nov 1978-187cm 91kg Burnie Forward

42 Spencer, Jake ® 6 19yr 10mth9 Oct 1989-202cm 93kg Redwood Ruck

47 Strauss, James 0 19yr 2mth14 Jun 1990-185cm 81kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield

12 Sylvia, Colin 87 24yr 11 Aug 1985-186cm 87kg Bendigo Pioneers Midfield Forward 44 Valenti, Shane ® 15 22yr 7mth29 Jan 1987-176cm 80kg Sandringham Midfield

37 Warnock, Matthew 38 25yr 5mth4 Mar 1984-192cm 92kg San/ham Dragons

- 4 Watts, Jack 3 18yr 5mth23 Mar 1991195cm 83kg Sandringham Dragons Forward

31 Wheatley, Paul 135 27yr 8mth4 Dec 1981-189cm 88kg Preston U/18ss Defender

45 Whelan, Matthew 150 29yr 9mth13 Nov 1979-180cm 84kg Darwin Defender

33 Wonaeamirri, Austin 18 20yr 11mth2 Oct 1988-176cm 76kg St Marys Forward

35 Zomer, Trent ® 0 20yr 2mth9 Jun 1989-196cm 93kg Eastern Rangers Defender

Just looking @ our list, we're thin, as we know in that 24 - 26 range where our solid leadership is expected to come from.

I don't think we'll move out many from that age bracket. Those regular senior players, mostly should be safe.

Edited September 4, 200915 yr by dee-luded

Might want to get some order into that

holy ****

wat da hel

Might want to get some order into that

Yep, was working on it, I had to do it through Edit.

i think the list is mroe interesting when you look at it like this:

(ive removed the reitrees because its offical)

Name Games Age Date of Birth

McDonald, James 235 33yr 3mth

Bruce, Cameron 203 29yr 11mth

Green, Brad 198 28yr 5mth

Miller, Brad 127 26yr 2mth

Jamar, Mark 73 25yr 11mth

Davey, Aaron 119 25yr 10mth

Moloney, Brent 90 25yr 7mth

Warnock, Matthew 38 25yr 5mth

Johnson, Paul 61 25yr 2mth

Rivers, Jared 90 24yr 10mth

Bell, Daniel 66 24yr 4mth

Sylvia, Colin 87 24yr

Meesen, John 6 23yr 2mth

Hughes, Danny ® 0 22yr 10mth

McLean, Brock 94 22yr 9mth

Martin, Stefan 27 22yr 9mth

Valenti, Shane ® 15 22yr 7mth

Buckley, Simon 21 22yr 4mth

Newton, Michael 21 22yr 4mth

Dunn, Lynden 52 22yr 3mth

Bate, Matthew 68 22yr 3mth

Jones, Nathan 70 21yr 7mth

Bartram, Clint 59 21yr 6mth

Garland, Colin 20 21yr 4mth

Bail, Rohan 1 21yr 2mth

Petterd, Ricky 29 21yr 1mth

Frawley, James 40 20yr 11mth

Jurrah, Liam 9 20yr 11mth

Wonaeamirri, Austin 18 20yr 10mth

Grimes, Jack 12 20yr 3mth

Zomer, Trent ® 0 20yr 2mth

Cheney, Kyle 12 20yr

Spencer, Jake ® 6 19yr 10mth

Morton, Cale 40 19yr 7mth

Jetta, Neville 15 19yr 6mth

Healey, Rhys ® 0 19yr 4mth

Maric, Addam 11 19yr 4mth

McNamara, Tom 3 19yr 4mth

Bennell, Jamie 16 19yr 2mth

Strauss, James 0 19yr 2mth

McKenzie, Jordie ® 3 19yr 2mth

Blease, Sam 0 18yr 6mth

Watts, Jack 3 18yr 5mth

only 3 players above 26, 2 months. so other than those 3, all will be under 27 at the start of next year. if we keep recruiting well in 4 years from now we will have an even spread of players ages rather than holes at certain points in the list. 22 of the 43 names above (before we consider draftees etc) are younger than 22 years of age, thats pretty young for footy.

and perhaps most important is some of the players that have been written off as 'delistings' by some people,

mcnamara only just 19, cheney just 20, i think these guys deserve a chance, they have only had a couple of years on the list.

when you realise how young our list is you cant really expect us to dominate for 3_4 years, and the advantage of that is that because we dont rely on players aged 26 and above (even the 25 year olds Jamar, Davey, Moloney, Warnock and Johnson are not exactly our 'key' players apart from davey) meaning that in 4 years when we should have a pretty good spread of players and be in our 'window' the window will keep on going for 2-3 years at least...

i really think we should look forward to the next decade, even if we are not as successful as we want to be in the next 2 years...

Edited September 3, 200915 yr by deanox

i really think we should look forward to the next decade, even if we are not as successful as we want to be in the next 2 years...

Without doubt.

We really are incredibly lucky considering how events have fallen into place with the new clubs coming and such.

What strikes me is the number of players 23 and under (from Meeson to Watts). About two-thirds of our list have their best footy ahead of them, if you consider that most players tend to peak between 24-27.

46 Blease, Sam 0 18yr 6mth19 Feb 1991-184cm 70kg Eastern Ranges Midfield

blease really needs to put on some more weight!! he will get killed out there

i think the list is mroe interesting when you look at it like this:

(ive removed the reitrees because its offical)

Name Games Age Date of Birth

McDonald, James 235 33yr 3mth

Bruce, Cameron 203 29yr 11mth

Green, Brad 198 28yr 5mth

Miller, Brad 127 26yr 2mth

Jamar, Mark 73 25yr 11mth

Davey, Aaron 119 25yr 10mth

Moloney, Brent 90 25yr 7mth

Warnock, Matthew 38 25yr 5mth

Johnson, Paul 61 25yr 2mth

Rivers, Jared 90 24yr 10mth

Bell, Daniel 66 24yr 4mth

Sylvia, Colin 87 24yr

Meesen, John 6 23yr 2mth

Hughes, Danny ® 0 22yr 10mth

McLean, Brock 94 22yr 9mth

Martin, Stefan 27 22yr 9mth

Valenti, Shane ® 15 22yr 7mth

Buckley, Simon 21 22yr 4mth

Newton, Michael 21 22yr 4mth

Dunn, Lynden 52 22yr 3mth

Bate, Matthew 68 22yr 3mth

Jones, Nathan 70 21yr 7mth

Bartram, Clint 59 21yr 6mth

Garland, Colin 20 21yr 4mth

Bail, Rohan 1 21yr 2mth

Petterd, Ricky 29 21yr 1mth

Frawley, James 40 20yr 11mth

Jurrah, Liam 9 20yr 11mth

Wonaeamirri, Austin 18 20yr 10mth

Grimes, Jack 12 20yr 3mth

Zomer, Trent ® 0 20yr 2mth

Cheney, Kyle 12 20yr

Spencer, Jake ® 6 19yr 10mth

Morton, Cale 40 19yr 7mth

Jetta, Neville 15 19yr 6mth

Healey, Rhys ® 0 19yr 4mth

Maric, Addam 11 19yr 4mth

McNamara, Tom 3 19yr 4mth

Bennell, Jamie 16 19yr 2mth

Strauss, James 0 19yr 2mth

McKenzie, Jordie ® 3 19yr 2mth

Blease, Sam 0 18yr 6mth

Watts, Jack 3 18yr 5mth

only 3 players above 26, 2 months. so other than those 3, all will be under 27 at the start of next year. if we keep recruiting well in 4 years from now we will have an even spread of players ages rather than holes at certain points in the list. 22 of the 43 names above (before we consider draftees etc) are younger than 22 years of age, thats pretty young for footy.

and perhaps most important is some of the players that have been written off as 'delistings' by some people,

mcnamara only just 19, cheney just 20, i think these guys deserve a chance, they have only had a couple of years on the list.

when you realise how young our list is you cant really expect us to dominate for 3_4 years, and the advantage of that is that because we dont rely on players aged 26 and above (even the 25 year olds Jamar, Davey, Moloney, Warnock and Johnson are not exactly our 'key' players apart from davey) meaning that in 4 years when we should have a pretty good spread of players and be in our 'window' the window will keep on going for 2-3 years at least...

i really think we should look forward to the next decade, even if we are not as successful as we want to be in the next 2 years...

The players we've let go have been older players in decline. Our better "older players" have been retained for leadership attributes as well as plenty of good quality football left to give.

I've posted this to help clarify what I think is the rationale to our list management.

This I think would suggest that those in the 24 - 27 age bracket who can't perform at or above their current formline, the poorest could be in trade/delist territory.

I think we might look for 2 list spots here to open up.

With Seaby on the market, IMO he'd be about a 3rd Rnd pick.

I think we'd look to gain an extra 2nd Rnd pick & an extra 3rd Rnder

I'd happily go into 2010 with 7 picks inside 50 and pick up Seaby & Dylan Grimes amongst our other draft selections.

Seaby would be a handy mobile Ruck to back up Jamar & Meeson for a couple of seasons. Spencer is still a little ways off.

Dylan Grimes I think would become a more than handy Tall defender for our future, to replace a Warnock or Rivers in about 3years time.

and perhaps most important is some of the players that have been written off as 'delistings' by some people,

mcnamara only just 19, cheney just 20, i think these guys deserve a chance, they have only had a couple of years on the list.

Agree. Both deserve more time at AFL level.

It speaks volumes about a club when the 13th oldest player is 23.

from FOOTYWIRE - http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-melbourne-demons

No Name Games Age Date of Birth Height Weight Origin Position

41 Bail, Rohan 1 21yr 2mth26 Jun 1988-183cm 91kg Mt Gravatt Midfield

- 3 Bartram, Clint 59 21yr 6mth16 Feb 1988-181cm 73kg Geelong Falcons Defender

- 6 Bate, Matthew 68 22yr 3mth24 May 1987-192cm 90kg Eastern Ranges Forward

21 Bell, Daniel 66 24yr 4mth13 Apr 1985-186cm 89kg Glenelg Defender

43 Bennell, Jamie 16 19yr 2mth7 Jun 1990-179cm 68kg Swan Districts Midfield

46 Blease, Sam 0 18yr 6mth19 Feb 1991-184cm 70kg Eastern Ranges Midfield

32 Bruce, Cameron 203 29yr 11mth30 Sep 1979-190cm 85kg MHSOB Midfield

- 1 Buckley, Simon 21 22yr 4mth18 Apr 1987-189cm 87kg San'ham Dragons Defender

25 Cheney, Kyle 12 20yr 25 Aug 1989-184cm 86kg North Ballarat Rebels Defender

36 Davey, Aaron 119 25yr 10mth6 Oct 1983-177cm 72kg Port Melbourne Forward

14 Dunn, Lynden 52 22yr 3mth14 May 1987-192cm 90kg Calder Cannons Midfield

- 8 Frawley, James 40 20yr 11mth20 Sep 1988-193cm 82kg Nth Ballarat Defender

20 Garland, Colin 20 21yr 4mth24 Apr 1988-191cm 84kg Tassie Mariners Defender

18 Green, Brad 198 28yr 5mth13 Mar 1981-184cm 82kg Northern Knights Midfield

16 Grimes, Jack 12 20yr 3mth11 May 1989-186cm 81kg Northern Knights Defender

50 Healey, Rhys ® 0 19yr 4mth13 Apr 1990-185cm 78kg Bendigo Pioneers M'fld F/wrd

38 Hughes, Danny ® 87 22yr 10mth12 Oct 1986-186cm 82kg $plyr. Forward

40 Jamar, Mark 73 25yr 11mth8 Sep 1983-198cm 103kg North Adelaide Ruck

39 Jetta, Neville 15 19yr 6mth12 Feb 1990-180cm 77kg Swan Districts Midfield

11 Johnson, Paul 61 25yr 2mth26 Jun 1984-199cm 105kg D/nong Stingrays Ruck

- 2 Jones, Nathan 70 21yr 7mth20 Jan 1988-180cm 81kg D/nong Stingrays Midfield

48 Jurrah, Liam 9 20yr 11mth23 Sep 1988-188cm 78kg Yuendumu Magpies Forward

19 Maric, Addam 11 19yr 4mth18 Apr 1990-177cm 76kg Calder Cannons Forward

33 Martin, Stefan 27 22yr 9mth17 Nov 1986-198cm 97kg Sandringham Defender

23 McDonald, James 235 33yr 3mth10 May 1976-180cm 75kg Nth B/rat Rebels M/fld

49 McKenzie, Jordie ® 3 19yr 2mth21 Jun 1990-186cm 71kg Geelong Falcons Midfield

- 5 McLean, Brock 94 22yr 10mth3 Nov 1986-184cm 86kg Calder Cannons Midfield

30 McNamara, Tom 3 19yr 4mth29 Apr 1990-190cm 84kg South Adelaide Defender

26 Meesen, John 6 23yr 2mth20 Jun 1986-200cm 95kg Geelong Falcons Ruck

-7 Miller, Brad 127 26yr 2mth7 Jun 1983-194cm 96kg Mt Gravatt Forward

22 Moloney, Brent 90 25yr 7mth28 Jan 1984-182cm 88kg Geelong Falcons Midfield

10 Morton, Cale 40 19yr 7mth18 Jan 1990-191cm 78kg Claremont Midfield

29 Newton, Michael 21 22yr 4mth27 Apr 1987-193cm 90kg Murray B/rangers Forward

15 Petterd, Ricky 29 21yr 1mth24 Jul 1988-185cm 78kg Broadbeach Defender M/field

27 Rivers, Jared 90 24yr 10mth18 Oct 1984-192cm 92kg North Adelaide Defender

24 Robertson, Russell 228 30yr 9mth24 Nov 1978-187cm 91kg Burnie Forward

42 Spencer, Jake ® 6 19yr 10mth9 Oct 1989-202cm 93kg Redwood Ruck

47 Strauss, James 0 19yr 2mth14 Jun 1990-185cm 81kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield

12 Sylvia, Colin 87 24yr 11 Aug 1985-186cm 87kg Bendigo Pioneers Midfield Forward 44 Valenti, Shane ® 15 22yr 7mth29 Jan 1987-176cm 80kg Sandringham Midfield

37 Warnock, Matthew 38 25yr 5mth4 Mar 1984-192cm 92kg San/ham Dragons

- 4 Watts, Jack 3 18yr 5mth23 Mar 1991195cm 83kg Sandringham Dragons Forward

31 Wheatley, Paul 135 27yr 8mth4 Dec 1981-189cm 88kg Preston U/18ss Defender

45 Whelan, Matthew 150 29yr 9mth13 Nov 1979-180cm 84kg Darwin Defender

33 Wonaeamirri, Austin 18 20yr 11mth2 Oct 1988-176cm 76kg St Marys Forward

35 Zomer, Trent ® 0 20yr 2mth9 Jun 1989-196cm 93kg Eastern Rangers Defender

Just looking @ our list, we're thin, as we know in that 24 - 26 range where our solid leadership is expected to come from.

I don't think we'll move out many from that age bracket. Those regular senior players, mostly should be safe.

I think you may have got your Danny Hughes 'confused as the current one has not debuted for MFC yet and I think he could not be selected in last few weeks because he is still a rookie. Did the earlier Danny H only play 87 games???

I think you may have got your Danny Hughes 'confused as the current one has not debuted for MFC yet and I think he could not be selected in last few weeks because he is still a rookie. Did the earlier Danny H only play 87 games???

Oh yeah, not me footy wire has mucked up there. I've just posted their material for us to reference, to be more accurate about our idea's. I'll delete that line.

excluding Robertson, Whealen and Wheatley. The list has an average age of 20.1...

And we have:

3 players with around 200 games

2 players with just over 100 games

11 players with 50-100 games, and ...

27 players with less than 50 games.

the problem there is giving 20 or so players enough experience next year.. a lot of talent might just miss out

Do we/will we have the youngest list in the AFL?

Does anyone have this list with which players and contracted for 2010?

Do we/will we have the youngest list in the AFL?

Hard to know what will happen next year until the drafting/delisting process is over. But this year Hawthorn's list was younger than our's.

Not sure if iy has been reported anywhere else, but I heard Zomer has been released from the Rookie List - That said, according to Rookie listing rules, was his time up anyway?

Not sure if iy has been reported anywhere else, but I heard Zomer has been released from the Rookie List - That said, according to Rookie listing rules, was his time up anyway?

Yeah, he has been a rookie for two years, as have been Valenti and Spencer. Spencer is a must keep. Hughes and Healy will probably be retained as rookies. I love little Valents, but, sadly, his time is up.

Without doubt.

We really are incredibly lucky considering how events have fallen into place with the new clubs coming and such.

I'm not so certain about that.

Yes we have a lovely list looking at the ages, but putting together a premiership team takes more than just the 3 years of heavy recruiting. The two big teams this year completed their big recruiting drive YEARS ago, with Geelong in the years they did F/S, and the Saints around 2000 when they bottomed out... But both teams have added some of their best players in the years AFTER their major recruiting drive. We get the whole Watts/Scully/Trengove years... but in the years following that, where we climb slowly, getting say pick 6... followed by a yer when we limp into, or just miss, finals... we'd get pick 9... And with those pick up a Rioli, or Hurley type if we were lucky.

As it stands, we'd end up with a pick in the teens if this eventuated, or later still if we go ok next year.

Perhaps I'm making too much of it. We won't be losing position compared to the other 15 clubs, as they're in the same place. Perhaps those later picks are just a reflection of how diluted talent will become in 5 years, as there'll be 18 teams, and still the same amount of players to call on in draft times.

I'm not so certain about that.

Yes we have a lovely list looking at the ages, but putting together a premiership team takes more than just the 3 years of heavy recruiting. The two big teams this year completed their big recruiting drive YEARS ago, with Geelong in the years they did F/S, and the Saints around 2000 when they bottomed out... But both teams have added some of their best players in the years AFTER their major recruiting drive. We get the whole Watts/Scully/Trengove years... but in the years following that, where we climb slowly, getting say pick 6... followed by a yer when we limp into, or just miss, finals... we'd get pick 9... And with those pick up a Rioli, or Hurley type if we were lucky.

I'd suggest that both of those sides were considered to have under-achieved during the period that you speak of. Add to that the dominance of (from '02 to '04) Brisbane and Port Adelaide, and the strong Grand Final rivalry between West Coast and Sydney in '05 and '06, and you have a situation where the Premiership window wasn't as open as it had appeared for those Clubs.

I'm not so certain about that.

Yes we have a lovely list looking at the ages, but putting together a premiership team takes more than just the 3 years of heavy recruiting. The two big teams this year completed their big recruiting drive YEARS ago, with Geelong in the years they did F/S, and the Saints around 2000 when they bottomed out... But both teams have added some of their best players in the years AFTER their major recruiting drive. We get the whole Watts/Scully/Trengove years... but in the years following that, where we climb slowly, getting say pick 6... followed by a yer when we limp into, or just miss, finals... we'd get pick 9... And with those pick up a Rioli, or Hurley type if we were lucky.

As it stands, we'd end up with a pick in the teens if this eventuated, or later still if we go ok next year.

Perhaps I'm making too much of it. We won't be losing position compared to the other 15 clubs, as they're in the same place. Perhaps those later picks are just a reflection of how diluted talent will become in 5 years, as there'll be 18 teams, and still the same amount of players to call on in draft times.

Most people including me think that our list is developing nicely however, looking at the games at the weekend and even past grand finalists, I believe we still need another contested marking forward and another big bodied key backman and a ruckman that can play like another midfielder i.e Mitch Clark or an Adam Goodes type.

Although our backline is good I don't think it matches up against the teams with power forwards such as St Kilda and Adelaide with Burton and Tippet. Rivers and Warnock are simply not strong enough when compared to Rutten and Bock for instance.

Looking at the 2000 grand final again it was clear that Essendon were so much bigger and stronger. Our fullback was Steven Febey and he played most of the day against James Hird. He tried hard but really got murdered in one on ones.

I think we need some big bodied players around the ball, up forward and back. They should be the backbone of the side with the likes of Davey, Wonna, Pettard, Scully, Morton etc feeding off them.

I hope we draft Scully and Trengove but until we get some big bodied "Generals" I think we will struggle to have consistent wins and vie for the holy grail.

"Although our backline is good I don't think it matches up against the teams with power forwards such as St Kilda and Adelaide with Burton and Tippet."

What? This year? Gee there's a surprise.