How would you feel if we beat North and Fremantle and ended up on 5 wins?

I personally would be livid and would never ever forgive the club for putting our future in jeopardy by winning pointless games.

But I understand that some supporters believe that a winning culture is more important that getting talented draft picks.

What's your stance?

The winning culture from the 5 wins in 2007 has had a great influence on our performance through the last 2 finals campaigns.

That would be an extremely stupid thing to do. It would ruin our chance of getting two good players in the last uncomprimised draft. There's no sense in it. Hopefully we keep playing Miller and Newton so we keep kicking points. Davey, Bruce, Moloney and Jurrah might need season-ending surgery as well.

geak sorry i mean freak, why start a thread that you now will be merged, use your tiny little brain.PS what did you think of mortons kicking today, was it up to your standards.

My stance is let's wait until the completion of round 20. We'll know more then.

Personally, I don't think we're safe with any of the next three. We could win a couple of them, quite easily. Or should I say be out-tanked?

How would you feel if we beat North and Fremantle and ended up on 5 wins?

I personally would be livid and would never ever forgive the club for putting our future in jeopardy by winning pointless games.

But I understand that some supporters believe that a winning culture is more important that getting talented draft picks.

What's your stance?

Don't completely Blame the club if we win 5 or more, as a lot of our opposition are looking at doing the same thing.

We maybe coaching for list management results but once the game starts, you never know what may happen.

I want the High Draft Picks, but a lot of things need to fall our way to get them. Still 5 games to go....

reality check run home

Richmond...giving Bummers a run for their quid.. Rawlings looking for CV stuff

North.. see above...Crocker looking for a win or two

Freo ...ah well..probably win this one...lol

carlton... easy peasy to the Blue Shaggers..a perc boost for them..they need it

Sainters.. well.. what really needs to be said..lol

only gunna win one more maybe ..perfect !!!

I would be very disappointed.

This whole "winning club" culture thing in relation to this issue is in my opinion b.s. Geelong, Saints etc have a winning culture - they've built that on the back of recruiting winning players. For many years, they did not have a "winning culture". Gaining picks 1 & 2 would almost certainly contribute two more winning players to our list - history virtually proves that.

Winning an extra game against North would be meaningless in the context of our performances this year. Who remembers who came 15th in, say, 2005. No one, because it doesn't matter.

We need to recruit better players. With picks 1 & 2, we'll not only get better players - we'll most likely get at least one superstar, something Melbourne's not had for far too long. Winning a meaningless game at the end of a very forgettable season and, in doing so, compromising this wonderful opportunity, is plainly stupid and would be a tragic result.

It's perhaps unfortunate that the rules operate this way, but the fact is that they do. Not to recognise this, and then not to take advantage of it, would be negligent in the extreme.

It would be similar to getting tax advice on two different ways to structure a transaction, one of which is tax efficient, the other which is not (although in substance they achieve the same result) - and then electing to take the non tax efficient approach because you form the view that there is a higher good in paying more tax - even though every one else in the market would take the opposite approach. It goes without saying which approach a smart and credible organisation would take.

2009 has been about building for the future - and getting picks 1 & 2 is a very important component in that.

How would you feel if we beat North and Fremantle and ended up on 5 wins?

I personally would be livid and would never ever forgive the club for putting our future in jeopardy by winning pointless games.

But I understand that some supporters believe that a winning culture is more important that getting talented draft picks.

What's your stance?

Why start your own thread on this?

Bump one the dozen on here already.

And 'what's our stance'?

Read the thousands of posts already littered on this site, and you'll find out. There is even a poll...

But I understand that some supporters believe that a winning culture is more important that getting talented draft picks.

I don't understand. How can anyone think that beating ordinary teams will give us a winning culture.

I wouldn't worry. It's not going to happen. We won't win five games...........provided the match committee sends out the same 22 we sent out to play Sydney today.

If we played our best 22 today we would have won. The Swans struggled to beat what was essentially a glorified Casey Scorpions lineup.

With the 22 we played today, we won't beat Richmond, we won't beat North, and I think even Freo will be a 50/50 propostion.

List management at it's best.

I love fresh and exciting threads that have never been done.

Bravo!

How would you feel if we beat North and Fremantle and ended up on 5 wins?

I personally would be livid and would never ever forgive the club for putting our future in jeopardy by winning pointless games.

But I understand that some supporters believe that a winning culture is more important that getting talented draft picks.

What's your stance?

With your man Juice in the team it just ain't goin' to happen

I wouldn't worry. It's not going to happen. We won't win five games...........provided the match committee sends out the same 22 we sent out to play Sydney today.

If we played our best 22 today we would have won. The Swans struggled to beat what was essentially a glorified Casey Scorpions lineup.

With the 22 we played today, we won't beat Richmond, we won't beat North, and I think even Freo will be a 50/50 propostion.

List management at it's best.

Wait - we still have Bail to put in and possibly a raw Spencer... Danny Hughes even? an underdone Simon Buckley? an out-of-form Tommy MacNamara?

Plenty of losing potential to still be included.

Wait - we still have Bail to put in and possibly a raw Spencer... Danny Hughes even? an underdone Simon Buckley? an out-of-form Tommy MacNamara?

Plenty of losing potential to still be included.

Robbo's still available if needed.