for this year Bate CHF , Green to FF , I have defended B.Miller for years on Demonland, lacks foward thinking , cant kick from 35 out, fails to offer even a physical presence. replacement or not he wont be there in 2-3 years , no mucking around , time to go. no dead wood, we carry no-one

Miller > Bate

Well that only took one round.

A new Demonland record?

for this year Bate CHF , Green to FF , I have defended B.Miller for years on Demonland, lacks foward thinking , cant kick from 35 out, fails to offer even a physical presence. replacement or not he wont be there in 2-3 years , no mucking around , time to go. no dead wood, we carry no-one

Go where, he's doing a job for us to his best ability, until we recruit someone who can start to play his role better.

Well that only took one round.

A new Demonland record?

agreed.

Classic kneejerk reaction. pathetic really.

At his best Miller is a strong marking, hard working CHF who provides a good target and provides good leadership.

Today just wasn't his day

Go where, he's doing a job for us to his best ability, until we recruit someone who can start to play his role better.

Fully agree (and keep in mind if Miller was "to go" - Newton may come back!)

Moronic idea. He's no Wayne Carey but he's a good ordinary footballer. Comfortably our best key position forward at this point in time.

sorry guys, im not trying to break any record. as i have said ,i have defended him over the past couple of seasons when many tore shreds off him, he is not a first year player his debut was in 02 and has 110 games behind him, i sick of ` it was round 1 ` what was the past four weeks and the past six years . stand up my friend. yes i have high expectations of the few senior players we have left

Moronic idea. He's no Wayne Carey but he's a good ordinary footballer. Comfortably our best key position forward at this point in time.

you said it ` ordinary` Green to FF, the man an play and bleeds for the club

As a key forward Miller isn't very good, but we've known this for several years. But the fact remains until Watts matures (and however we pick up this year) he is our only option. We literally don't have anyone else capable of playing as a key forward on our list.

As soon as we all accept this we can sit down, drink some green tea and relax.

you said it ` ordinary` Green to FF, the man an play and bleeds for the club

Oh, if he bleeds for the Club then that's different.

I am sure Miller doesn't!

Moronic idea. He's no Wayne Carey but he's a good ordinary footballer. Comfortably our best key position forward at this point in time.

Yeah ordinary is the word, im starting to feel sorry for the guy,why play him up forward, he kicked 26 last year,he wont do any better this year, its pathetic to watch.

Miller > Bate

And that says so much

you said it ` ordinary` Green to FF, the man an play and bleeds for the club

I reckon Green should play close to goal as well. However, you suggested we should get rid of Miller. That would be ridiculous at this point in time as he's the only key position forward we have, limited as he is.

I agree it wasnt one of Millers best but dont throw the baby out with the bath water just yet. Our foward line in bascally non existant. Miller at his best had Robbo and Neitz firing and he was a leading CHF. He was then getting the 3rd best defender, now he is getting the best. When we have a few more effective targets, Miller will have more influance.

Yeah ordinary is the word, im starting to feel sorry for the guy,why play him up forward, he kicked 26 last year,he wont do any better this year, its pathetic to watch.

The good thing about having a 0.5 goal a game average is that when you go goal-less you have hardly done any harm, especially after more than 100 games.

Can we all collectively pray for a strong, hard leading, intelligent forward?

We're in trouble in the forward line.

Miller > Bate

In the 4th qtr ball bombed long into f50... miller under it.... Bate backs back and goes for it too.. spoil each other North player stays down.. rebound easily out.

Very similar players, niether is going to improve from where they are. Not many options at the minute.

agreed.

Classic kneejerk reaction. pathetic really.

At his best Miller is a strong marking, hard working CHF who provides a good target and provides good leadership.

Today just wasn't his day

are you bloody serious? knee jerk reaction? i have said he is hopeless since day 1. you highlighted his best..the problem is, he plays at his best once in a blue moon. most games he wont kick more than 1 goal or get over 10 touches. would prefer to play 1 player down

Miller can contest and bring ball to ground, and take good strong marks.

Who else in our forward line can do that right now?

Name one player you'd have replacing Miller, before saying "he can go".

If he had two other strong forwards around him, he'd be an excellent 3rd tall. He doesn't, but at least I know that he'll make a contest every time, giving the occasional crumber (when they make it back in time ) a chance.

It's fine to say players can go. However, you need to replace them with someone (preferably better).

Does Newton kick more goals or create more opportunities than Miller? Zomer? Who else is there?

Miller's worthy of a best-22 spot.

are you bloody serious? knee jerk reaction? i have said he is hopeless since day 1. you highlighted his best..the problem is, he plays at his best once in a blue moon. most games he wont kick more than 1 goal or get over 10 touches. would prefer to play 1 player down

Another jerk reaction of a different type.

You must have gone through some torrid therapy last year to psychologically dissolve all memory of the Freo game last year.

It's fine to say players can go. However, you need to replace them with someone (preferably better).

Does Newton kick more goals or create more opportunities than Miller? Zomer? Who else is there?

Miller's worthy of a best-22 spot.

ATM. Hopefully there must be better options in the future.

Miller can contest and bring ball to ground, and take good strong marks.

Who else in our forward line can do that right now?

The evidence that he can take "good strong marks" is thin on the ground at the moment. That said, he did contest well yesterday while permanently outnumbered, which unfortunately is not something that could be said about Bate.

He's no chance of being dropped on yesterday's form, although he simply has to make the most of his opportunities when he is having a shot for goal.

The evidence that he can take "good strong marks" is thin on the ground at the moment. That said, he did contest well yesterday while permanently outnumbered, which unfortunately is not something that could be said about Bate.

He's no chance of being dropped on yesterday's form, although he simply has to make the most of his opportunities when he is having a shot for goal.

Fair assessment.

Miller > Bate

100% correct!!