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Quite right. Not a single shred of evidence whatsoever if you ignore the several thousands of documents, some of them over 100 pages, including statements and records of hundreds of interviews, some of them lasting up to 9 hours and statutory declarations from witnesses including chemists, nurses, club officials, the players themselves, waiver documents, receipts, SMS's and lots more accumulated over 16 months of investigation ... nothing ... nada ... zilch ...

Throws a different complexion on things because it tell us that the players weren't bullied into going into the programme and they were very careless about getting involved in what was obviously a dubious programme.

It's not a matter of questioning her veracity. It's more about the way she deals with her material. In that respect, she can be brilliant at times as she is in the Essendon doping article but at other times she's an absolute [censored]. Robbo tells the truth in his articles as well. It's when he starts expressing his opinion, he gets problematical.

Alcohol. Ruled out but did they conduct any another tests.

The Lions are still getting a better run from the media than we did in the last two years. Leppa hasn't had the blowtorch put on his coaching and I even heard discussion on one of the Fox panels where it was suggested the club was not far off getting a priority pick. Now that's a joke given they won 10 games last year last made the finals in 2009 and haven't finished among the bottom four recently. They have Buckley's chance of getting assistance any time soon.

Over at Talking Carlton the "Sakc Malthouse!!!" is into page 64. Meanwhile, things are hotting up on the "R4: Carlton v Melbourne (Post Match Rant Rave and Vomit)" thread where they want to burn the place down. Does this sound familiar?

Point 1 (AFL) - this is what I and many others have been saying for some time. Point 2 (Dutton) - it's certainly being painted as an "oversight" at the moment but I will reserve my judgement until I know more about how this all happened at such a crucial time in the saga and if there are going to be replacements, who they are. Forgive me for my cynicism but I have prior experience in dealing with government departments.

I wonder how long it will take for something like this to occur in the AFL - ARU rules Israel Folau out of Force clash? I'm also betting the first player so outed will be a Demons player.

That would fly in the face of Roos and his policy of holing back his young players at Casey until he thinks they're ready. He would be hugely embarrassed if those young Carlton players were instrumental in our going down today.

She wouldn't have been counting on the shameful amateurism of the AFL in the way it sought to engineer an outcome with the preservation of its competition at the forefront or of the bungling (and perhaps worse, it's meddling) of the government. Dank is feigning anger about the latest farce involving the lack of an ADRVP quorum ATM but I suspect that he's quietly laughing out of the side of his face. The delay will bring temporary respite to him, Essendon, Hird & co and the players but in the end, it's only going to further drag out the pain.

Political interference? Nah ... not possible.

In the first place, nothing in the quoted caption makes that clear at all. Secondly, your post related to trusting EFC or ASADA but stated you were neither "agreeing nor disputing" his position. Thirdly, I pointed out some good reasons to dispute his position and why many don't trust Dank in this saga. Fourthly, you haven't come up with any rebuttal at all but instead chose to resort to insult. So who's the real buffoon?

It's indeed a pity that you haven't read more of this thread because it might help you understand why most wouldn't trust Dank. But if you think about it, the very story about him refusing to come forward with proof that the injected drugs were legal (he's apparently also signed a statutory declaration saying he has no records) until he could do so in court is exactly why many don't just not trust him but also hold him in complete contempt. Here is a man who claims the program that he and Hird oversaw at Essendon was completely above board and has proof to back it up has done nothing to calm the distress and suffering of the players affected and their families. Remember, these are the young men who were placed in his professional care and who has tossed them and their club under a bus. If he's telling the truth about the injections being legal then he owes them a professional duty to disclose what he caused to be injected into their bodies. Trust this man? Don't make me laugh!!!

The Hird-Archer medal has been scrapped but Archer says its got nothing to do with Hird's problems: Glenn Archer scrapped the Hird-Archer medal Sure thing.

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The onus of proof is with the authorities. In doping cases it's not as strict as in criminal cases or even in normal civil matters but the case still needs to be proved. That which you consider a "defence" (i.e reliance on professionals) is unsustainable because, as we've seen, there is no shortage of rogue professionals in the world.

Fair go. Let's not consign this noble profession to the scrapheap as we seem to be doing to vehicle manufacturers and airline personnel in this country. There is going to be plenty of work for the legal profession once the tortoise-like ASADA investigation process reaches the end game position. Essendon will undoubtedly mount a legal challenge if it loses players and it will inevitably suffer defeat if judges properly do their jobs and declare they lack jurisdiction because the AFL and it's players have willingly and voluntarily accepted the primacy of the WADA Code but that isn't the end of it by a long shot.The players and their managers will rush to the courts to claim loss and damages including loss of future income from their (possibly former) employers, the snakes who instigated and executed the programme, the doctors and those charged with their well being whilst employed by the club. They're already doing that in NSW. Then there's the issue of the potential future harm to their health from taking these drugs and soon the WorkCover people will come sniffing around. More prosecutions, lots more ambulance chasing and litigation against the club and the possibly the AFL and perish the thought, the insolvency lawyers might come into the picture. I don't imagine that the organisations that pay in the billions for media rights to an 18 team competition involving nine games most weekends would be happy if one of the teams is half made up of scrubbers from the Essendon District Football League so the lawyers will be perusing through these contracts and looking for ways to eke out some compensation for their clients. I'm already frothing at the mouth over the prospect of being able to send young Fauntleroy Rumpole through his senior school years at the Grammar courtesy of Mr. Dank as a result of this nefarious "supplements" programme. With a little bit of luck he might share a classroom with one of the Hird offspring and the two of them could dream of their futures as stockbrokers or esteemed members of the bar.

You'll get over that when we start beating them.

This is not about the AFL giving away money. It's about the AFL giving a competitive advantage to one club over all others. It's about the AFL teaching Sydney a lesson for having the gall to steal Buddy from the GWS clutches. It's about allowing GWS to do other clubs what it did with Tom Scully - allow it to poach a player from another club that has absolutely no chance of matching their offer. Let's hope it's not that GWS is not allowed to use this weapon to steal Chip away from us.

The red and blueprint had winning at its ultimate end as well. Sadly, we fell down badly on the footy side but the cynics are having their day anyway.

Gosh. We have absolutely no idea what it was that was in those injections but we can assure you 100% that it's safe.

Surely you mean his predecessors in the plural since the main example he has publicly highlighted was how he was "appalled" by Jack Watts debut? He also makes it clear the midfield deficiencies desperately needed addressing and that many of the poor traits the team developed have been evident for a long time viz bruise free and 186 which preceded the last coach. Our record as a losing team stretches back as far as 2007 and didn't develop overnight and, as you yourself point out, you're excited about the coming season "for the first time in years".I'm also excited about the coming season but I see the current publicity coming from the club as part of a clever and necessary PR exercise to distance ourselves from our past failures. You read the same every time a new coach takes over in these circumstances (look at what Richardson is saying over at the Saints) and it's too early to get carried away by it.

Absolutely hilarious in the way that the chicken crossing the road joke used to get peals of laughter in prehistoric times. Trouble is that the majority of us don't live in caves any more.

The other being Greek Cypriot wouldn't exactly be doing cartwheels either.

The first time, it was funny. Maybe the second time but now ... ugh.