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Richmond thought/still think they are in their premiership window, they saw Trengove as a ready made player to add to their midfield rotations as opposed to waiting for another kid to develop.

(I just edited my initial post whilst you were replying) Yes but why did we want an extra pick? We were after an extra first rounder for what many of us believed would be part of a deal to land a Luke Parker or similar, and if that was the case many of us wouldn't have cared because we would have brought a gun to the club. I don't think a deal with any club fell through because of our inability to offer two first round picks, (we already had 2&3 but we wanted to keep one of them, so it would have been 3&12) I think we failed to entice someone to want to come to us. So then the question is who did the club want at 12, we're not talking a top five pick but 12, the club knew what Trengove's skill set is and and were more than happy to move him on in favour of a kid. So they we're more than happy to back themselves in to land a player in the draft at 12 that they thought would bring more than what Trengove had produced to date, hence they don't rate him.

The club showed him no loyalty and we can only assume by that the current coaches don't rate him. What a situation, we had him out the door but then he had to stay because of his injury and still under contract. Then we're nice enough to offer him one more year, an each way bet....

Tom McDonald was also getting big wraps in the first half of last year and his name was being thrown up as an early contender for AA, as his form dropped away so did the discussion surrounding him. Kidding myself about Jones at Hawthorn?

Hogan got plenty of wraps last year for kicking 44 goals and being third for contested marks in his first season. If Jones was at Hawthorn he would be regarded as solid contributor in a team full of guns.

An extension of the "Round 1 team" thread??

I'd take Jones. Jones game has improved where as Cotchins has stalled. Plus I believe Cotchin has had better support around him. Jones for me. Delidio is another story.

One thing that has gone against Cotchin is his failure (and his teams) to turn up in finals. Would love to see Jones play in one either this year or next, that could well change the way he is viewed by the football public.

Jones game went to a new level two years ago under Roos/Stone. His disposal and awareness improved, he started to think his way through situations and take the better option rather than barge his way 2-3 tacklers. As good as he is and as much as we love him he's not in the same class as Hodge/Bartell/Pendles etc.

Have you seen the one of Uma Thurman doing the rounds on FB. "Uma killed Bill..."

Yes. Leigh Mathews said before the 2004 GF an injured Johno Brown is still better than the next best available.

Your last sentence would allude to that. "had to improve this part of his game to ensure he gets a game".

Nailed it.

Ownership/leadership/accountability. Vince is now talking it up, there are no more excuses left.

The bloke who played Jennifer Garners dad in Alias will play Dank.

As I mentioned earlier I don't hate anyone on the list, it's nothing personal. However I will refrain from commenting (negatively) about him until the preseason games commence, same goes for Watts.

From what I've seen which would be about 5-6 of his 11 games I thought he's showed some promise and has some skill but obviously still a long way to go. I wouldn't of compared his disposal to Grimes. Whether it's back or forward flank we need to start trying of our youngmids in other positions. Some players will be best suited just playing on ball while others will be able to push up or down the ground depending on injuries/structures etc. You might be right he might be best suited rotating between half forward and the midfield but we need to go through the process and find out. We've been too one dimensional in recent years, this is slowly starting to change.

Just to clarify I personally don't dislike anyone on the list I just don't think they bring enough to the table. The club traded away Brodie Grundy for Dawes (and yes I thought it was a good idea at the time), can't remember what we lost for H (2nd rounder?). Besides Dawes game against Adelaide two years ago is there another game that either player has dominated or at least played a great half? For all of the experience two premiership players have brought us I would argue we've gotten more value from Vince and Cross. Being vocal at training is no longer enough, I want to see them influence games on a regular basis. Didn't H acknowledge in an interview late last year that he underachieved? Well when he's back let's bloody see something.

I had Stretch on the wing but don't mind him off half back. I've mentioned before about (especially now Melksham is out) giving him and ANB a run off half back. If Salem gets injured we're stuffed. We need that flexibility.

In that scenario with Frost playing FWD/RUCK I think that Dawes/Pedo should both miss. With Watts as a third tall fwd that's enough height. Garlett, Kent and Vincent/Petracca/VB can rotate through on on a flank.

So after all that differences between our sides are as follows : MY TEAM v YOUR TEAM WHITE v GRIMES (for half back) PEDO v DAWES (for CHF) OLIVER v H (off the bench) PETRACCA v GARLAND (I dropped Garland and had Frost down back and went for the extra mid, I think your fwd line is to tall) Harmes/Kennedy/Bug v Bug Your post came after my response to Wiseblood so I'm assuming you read it before posting. White has played one game and showed a lot of promise, if that continues throughout the preseason I would have no problem selecting him ahead of Grimes who's deficiencies are well documented. Pedo and Dawes is the lesser of two evils, both are holding the fort, Dawes is injured....again. H was disappointing last year, if Petracca and Oliver play well during the pre season they should get a look in, if they both have years like Angus did I don't think we'll hear to many complaints.

I don't consider Garland a walk up start on last years form. I think TMac and Dunn fill two of the three spots for key defenders. Is Frost is not injured he is and Garland could be fighting it out during the preseason games for the one spot.

No, probay not, I'm just doodling whilst watching the tennis. To be honest I was just thinking about what Pro Dee said earlier tonight, it got me thinking. I revisited the Hawks/Eagles grand final teams to see how they lined up. If Frost is good to go, (I'm probably mistaken) I'm sure I read last year he's earmarked to pair up with TMAC in defense and he won't be playing forward. If that's the case HULETT out, PEDO to CHF and maybe HARMES/KENNEDY/BUGG depending on pre season to the bench. When GAWN has a rest PEDO to the ruck and we just run with a small forward line for a few minutes a qtr to mix it up.