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KC no offense meant just that any news especially good news is greatly appreciated by supporters starved of good news

coincidence maybe not!

KC any chance of an update, we have about 186 users reading this topic trying to get some idea of how Demon players are going with Casey

Is Tappy playing well, or just poor opposition, i.e. something like the demons.

From the few times I have seen Spencer he has impressed with his work ethic, seen him chase down much smaller opponents and catch them and mark, kicking may not be his strong suit. Cannot be much worse in the ruck than Jamar, I dont understand why he keeps hitting the ball down in the path of the essendon players time after time, what were the melbourne players doing?

i think a lot of people watching that game no matter who they supported would have booed the dees off for that performance. Its one of the few ways supporters can let the club and players know how they feel about their performance. If they want the applause then they need to take the jeers as well.

A cunning zone defense, where our players stand around like witches hats while the opposition players run off in different directions, so once the balls kicked in usually to an unmanned player our players either continue to zone up or try to find their man who is usually streaming off towards their goals with the ball. they had 200 extra possessions, that is not accountable football. How can you have accountable football when your primary job is to be a witches hat and stand there waving your arms around. The players are being given two contrary instructions that they cannot resolve during the game. Sure it worked in practice because when we played witches hats to ourselves our own sloppy kicked resulted in the turnovers, or we would stop the play and do it again until we got it right, real life is not like that. We are playing sides that kick to position well and do not turn it over, especially when there is no pressure on them.

On last nights performance I would put spencer or Gawn in the ruck and make clark our ruck rover, he at least got two clearances yesterday. Drop every player that is not trying to the Casey (sorry Casey supporters, I know its a terrible thing to do to your side). I would rather play a team of honest triers than continue to play best known players who think they are too good for the team. If they find they cannot get a game with Melbourne then who the hell will want them, and what will their financial earning power be. Our best known players are getting paid overs for what their skill levels are because we have the salary cap and have to use it by front loading. I wonder how many would get a contract elsewhere. Also whats to say that some of these well known players who wanted out were not shopped around quietly, but no one wanted them.

The AFL just spent months damaging this brand while saying that everyone else that tanked was ok, maybe they should look at the damage they are doing to the brand. by the way where is the drugs investigation going besides nowhere, so if essendon players are found guilt do they loose any premiership points?

I am still split on frawley's game, he did some ok things but there where at least 3 notable brain fades that resulted in goals, twice he tried to play on around his man and got caught or handpassed to someone who got caught, and once he followed his man down to the wing his player dished the ball off and ran around the boundary to get the handball back while Chip stood there, but the time he realised his player had the ball again he was 30 meters away and accelerating. not a lot of positives out of this game, even those that did well really were not outstanding in anyway, probably a dozen Essendon players all better.

What I find the most frustrating is that EVERYONE can see our ZONING does not work. It is killing us, we are getting slaughtered in the overlap while our players are protecting patches of grass. Opposition players are falling over from cramp from getting uncontested possessions. How the hell can we be the hardest team to play against when we are not even within 5 meters of our opposition player. More importantly why cann't our coaching team see this. Is it a matter of I have my game plan and I'm going to play it hell or high water. We were down 100 points from this game plan, but the players were still out there trying to man up to patches of grass instead of opposition players AS DIRECTED. How do you think the players feel playing a game plan they will no longer have any faith in.

I disagree this is a draft issue, we put 22 players out there who are supposed to be AFL standard, some may not be. But it does not matter what 22 players we seem to put out there, there is no spirit, aggression, passion, skill or determination from most of the players. We could draft buddy franklin and to find he would die of cold waiting for the ball to go down there. Mitch Clark went into the centre as a midfielder and got 2 of our very few clearances, what is wrong with the players we had there, how the hell did heppel run around all night with noone on him. Poor coaching, disgraceful effort, something needs to change, hopefully our side and our game plan. Given the level of frustration, if someone is going to start a thread for whos in next game, they should actually start with who do we keep from this side as its probably a shorter list.

I have been a supporter of Neeld but tonights game was the same failed plan replayed, he cannot persist with this stupid Zoning, our players just cannot play it. We get cut to ribbons with some many opposition players running around loose. If he cannot change his game plan then he has to go. No point putting it off to the end of the year, the only good that can come out of continuing to pigheadedly play a bad game plan is we get a better draft pick for picking up the wooden spoon and lots more severe beatings. In fact the AFL may need to introduce a mercy clause into the playing conditions, like they have in baseball and other games when sides get slaughtered

We have had more taps than Essendon, but I can only recall one going directly to a melbourne player and that was when jones gathered a ryder tap. Jamar needs to fire up and punch the ball not tap it down at this feet to essendon players,

I thought they said clark is off, and garland is down in the rooms getting treatment. What a debacle. Essendon is running around the melbourne players like they are witches hats, disgusting the number of open and free players, while our players stand around like teapots. What an absolute disgrace.

How the hell can they get it out of the centre so damn often, what are our guys doing?

I am not a big fan for full forwards running 100 meters after they kick a goal so they can sit down for 3 minutes, before running back another 100 meters to position. I would rather mitch stand in the goal square and get his breath, that approach never hurt peter hudson, or tony lockett.

Melbourne play unaccountable football, zone defense spare man in the backline all that sort of thing. Watts has to learn how to get kicks when he is being manned up, no point just picking up lots of kicks when you are the spare man in defense. He needs to put his body into the contest. Just wondering does anyone know how many ex-players are turning up around the ground and providing mentoring, feedback, coaching, etc to our younger brigade?

we all missed his chasing, maybe he will do some this week. Given Garland was our goal kicking hero last year, why not consider him forward instead of Sellers. maybe move Mitch to CHF and Garland to FF.

Trenners will in time get better the question is can we afford to take someone who is not fit, not in good form after our debacle last week. Is his leadership quality so much make up for the fact that he is probably going to have fewer touches than someone fitter. I would love to see him go out and have a big game, but chances are not good of that happening.

When you look at our win lose ratio for the first rounds, how the hell could the port demolition be such a surprise to everyone. with that record, winning should have been the surprise.

Trengrove did not do overly well in the VFL practice game on the weekend, so why bring him in, an act of desperation perhaps? Would rather see Rodan in than an unfit Trengrove. Nicholson, is very lucky to still be there, would have thought Jetta should have pushed him out. Gillies again lucky, probably no backup tall to tackle Essendon's tall forwards. Will be interesting to see how Neeld's strategy goes this week.

The dogs and port have put up sides with players who want to play and they did ok. We need to do the same, get rid of those who dont want to try, send them back to Casey to try to get a game. Silvia and Frawley could see their value plummet quite badly if they cannot even get a game with melbourne.

We have a team that has been fooled into a false sense of security, fitter than ever, training better, better plan, while we lost to port in the NAB cup the excuse was probably it was their turf,we didnt have a full side, etc.... Game day we came out expecting it to happen and it didnt. The sad thing is the team and coach included did nothing that I could see to try to turn that around. The didnt see it coming because they were in dream land thinking we were so much better than Port, GC, GWS and Doggies. If we continue to play like we did on Sunday then we will go through the season winless. By the way anyone know what happens with match payments to senior players if they dont play senior football but play for Casey, do they still get the same $$'s or loose some match payment $$'s

Iam sure Frawleys efforts will be scrutinized as will everyone elses. i would like to see Garland play up forward he has done some decent things there in the past and would provide a bit of support for clark and co... Frawley I think needs to play in the 2's for a game or two until he can learn to lift his intensity. He seems to think he can waltz around the field instead of running, shows poor judgement and poor disposal at times.