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Can't see how they get JHF without WCE pick 2 involved. For them to expect to get him and Junior Rioli for pick 8 and a F1 is a joke I would have thought they are ok for pick 2 but not with Rioli included. They need to put up something/someone else I don't blame them. They owe Rioli nothing. If they are giving him away for free in the Port trade of pick 8 and a F1 for Rioli and Pick 2 then let him go to the psd. They will have lost nothing. It is one time where the losing club doesn't miss out on anything.

It should be F1 but it won't be.

Has it officially changed?

If so I hope they told Bowes that before he nominated them. I would guess it is 4 years at say $550-$600. Geelong get pick 7, get the player but spread the $$ for little sal cap hit. Not what was implied in GCS offer.

That is because QB will be our Home game.

Where is 'goodwindees' when you need him!🙂

Players with a few years to run on their contracts: TMc, Brown who struggle to get on the park for chunks of the year; Tomlinson, Hibberd and Melksham are depth. I don't really have a problem with keeping them but if we don't bring in more experience that can play each week then we are relying on kids to replace them. But as they say: the night is still young! Trade week has a way to go.

I think we already knew that Geelong and Richmond had swapped picks for Geelong to get one spot ahead of us. It would have been pre-planned by them and we either knew before we went into draft night or were alerted to it in the minutes before the pick swap happened. Then it was the next best two: Bowey and Laurie.

Is that a realistic expectation? It can come unstuck so easily.

So that is two years with only two additions of experience to our list: Dunstan and Grundy. By the look of it to win the 2023 premiership we are relying on Grundy less Jackson and some 2021 and 2022 draftees who have yet to play a game. I was hoping we would start to fill that 23=25 yo gap in our list profile and turnover some of the more expensive but no longer likely best 22 players.

Any targets that we have been seriously linked to or is Grundy it?

Good point! But really don't like that sort of 'sweetner'.

Is this a serious suggestion or media hypothetical?

That isn't too good. Forgetting the Ashcroft bid, other F/S Davey Jr and Fletcher may be bid on between 13 and 16 so then 16 becomes 18. All the risk is with us for a potential 5 spot first round slide. Everything about our draft history and Lamb's recent comments is we want to go up the order not down.

The reported trade for Rankine: Herald Sun reporter Jon Ralph revealed the Crows are nearing a trade with the Suns that’ll see Adelaide land Rankine and a late pick in this year’s draft in exchange for Pick 5, a future third rounder and future fourth rounder." Don't know why Ralph thinks it is a steal for Adelaide. It suits GCS they want points in 2023 for their Academy player so those F3 and F4 are really valuable to GCS. Win/Win.

I don't think they've tried. No chat anywhere, not even the WA media of them trying. They wanted two players from GCS. They could still deal for pick 5 to come from Adelaide as part of thsoe trades. But have already done one of the deals with GCS. Won't do the Lobb deal with Bulldogs. Won't do the Meeks deal with Hawks. They won't make any effort to improve their hand even tho the options have been and are there.

I suggested a few days ago to give them pick #54 which we won't use, as a sweetener. But Coll are hanging out to see what we get for Bedford and Jackson then try and cash in on one of those.

But Eagles would. They would move heaven and earth to create the cap space by renegotiating contracts in the months between trade and psd. If Freo put a first year contract of $1.5 price on his head they would have to do the same thing to create the cap space. So it is so so stupid for Freo to even think of the PSD let alone put it on the negotiating table. Embarrassing that any club would do that if they thought it through. Well maybe they didn't think it through. Sure LJ to the PSD: Great way for Freo to strength their arch enemy's list!! Laughable.

It is because most clubs want that type of forward so 'his perceived value' is being pushed up. And a fair chunk of 'generational player' type thinking. A bit like a competitive house auction that becomes a 'must have' even tho there might be others that fit just as well albeit it not the perfect fit ticking all the boxes.

North will take him with pick 1 which becomes 2 after Ashcroft F/S. GWS are keen on him and are likely to get North's pick 1 by enticing them with pick #3 and #12. We can't outbid GWS. GWS aren't shy about paying for the bid they want: they used a lot of draft currency to get up the board to draft Green. Ironically in the end they didn't need to as clubs didn't bid on him at the top end.

It isn't just WA players. Here are a few others in recent times that have gone home within a few years of being drafted.. Tom Boyd: pick 1 Josh Schache: pick 2 Jesse Hogan: pre draft priority pick Luke Jackson: pick 3 Adam Cerra: pick 5 Jason Horn Francis: pick 1 Tanner Bruhn: pick 12 Isaac Rankine: pick 3 I'm sure there are lots of others around the league. And of course many have stayed the course at an i/state club. But still a big risk at the pointy end. So good on WCE. Geelong are certainly adopting the recruit locals appproach. Most of their top end recruits in recent years have been 'locals' ie Greater Geelong region. Nearly half their list will be 'locals'

They still want a high pick. The mooted deal with Port gives them pick 8 plus a F1 (and probably a player). So not sure #2 for LJ was ever an option.

An interesting view on WCE sliding down the draft from #2. The Age podcast indicated they see some of the players at the top of the draft as 'flight risks' so will look to local players. Given recent trends with elite players 'going home' very early in their careers and the drafting club being short changed in most cases, that is smart thinking for the top end of the draft. The view of 'backing in your system and development' doesn't seem so compelling these days.

@Demonstoneto the rescue with a brainteaser quiz, perhaps?

It isn't just the PSD the AFL needs to look at. It seems that 'good faith negotiating' has gone out the window right across the board. The new mo seems to be: entice players to their club, make unrealistic offers dig heels in stalemate It is not so bad when one or two clubs played that way but now it is nearly every club. Even the typical 'honest brokers' like Geelong are making ridiculously low offers; Mackie trying to big note himself in his first year whereas Wells would get deals done. Its like clubs have been to Dodoro's school of trading techniques! The bizarre thing is that apparntly after the top 5 players in the draft it is pretty even, so what is everyone fighting for, other than ego! As an aside does Ess still exist. Very quiet on the trading front. All too busy with the politics and looking after their own patch I guess!