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I wouldn't discount him based on experience. He's had more experience (7 years in a variety or roles through 3 premierships) than Goodwin when he joined the Demons (4 years at a flaky club) and some other first time coaches. If he gets the senior coach at Adelaide they will put a mentor there with him. Seems to be the go with first time coaches..

Several credible posters here have said Hawks and Saints withdrew respective offers. Both Elliot and Tomlinson upset at leaving their clubs. Your point is valid but from that info it isn't MFCSS at least not on my part.

Just great! Another player who is desperate to stay at their club which won't do enough to keep them and other suitors have pulled out; Hawks pull out for Elliott as Saints did for Tomlinson. They come to us because we are the last ones standing. Not a ringing endorsement for us.

It is futile to argue who has Clarkson improved/turned into a star. Probably very few. Silk purse/cows ear and all that. Anyway, n-oone knows and it matters little. Regardless of how well Frosty played this year he is not in our best 22 because we have 3 regular and 1 back up Tall ahead of him. No room at the inn. I just wish Mahoney hadn't made it so obvious as it effectively talks down his trade value.

We will miss Lewis' leadership. Totally agree that May and Lever are our best bet for on-field leadership. Viney needs the help and I hope he accepts it. As an aside, I'm increasingly impressed with Oliver's on-field direction of team mates (excepting the public spray he gave Fritsch). He has a good footy brain and his public speaking is very good for his age. Very good speech at the bnf, one of the few that thanked people. Wouldn't mind him as captain in about 4-5 years.

When asked about the best leaders Macca said that Gawn and Viney were those most aligned to the team and totally invested in the direction of team. Macca commented on one aspect of leadership and I'm sure there are many other off-field aspects he is good at. The leadership that fans are crying out for is on-field. Leaders that have footy IQ, can read the play, help change momentum, ensure the game plan is followed, direct players to correct positions, ensure set plays are followed, bring recalcitrants into line etc etc. Viney has not shown much in that regard and until he does he will be criticised for it, fairly in my view.

Last week Matthew Lloyd suggested Daniher be traded for Syd picks #5 and #9 (after Papley trade to Carlton for #9 +/-). At first I thought he was a puppet for a stunt by Essendon. Now Barrett is going with the same daniher three club deal I'd say both are hypothesising (click bait style) but it is so far fetched they look like dills. Even with a swap of other picks and faux draft point count, in what universe is Daniher worth anything like 5 and 9! Sydney are fair traders and they are no dills. Just can't see it happening. Patton who has similar games and injury time out history is set to go for 3rd round pick. Both have one year to run on their contracts. Surely, the AFL would have to investigate if both those trades eventuate. A futile hope!

Sydney are reportedly interested. Harley Bennell Having been de-listed from Freo he is a Free Agent and can nominate a club to join. We already have 2/3 players with chronic injuries: KK, AvB and maybe J. Smith. Just can't see us potentially adding another to that list especially if we get Elliott. That is a lot of players and money to potentially spend a lot time in rehab.

He knows GWS need the $cap space and are moving him on. I would think the right things to say are how much he enjoyed GWS but looking forward to the next chapter of his life. The interview had the markings of someone who hasn't accepted he is being shown the door. Must be difficult to know his club is closing the door and there is only one club (17th on the ladder) that is embracing him. If he comes I hope he cheers up about it.

If he is committed to leaving GWS, someone forgot to tell him. There is no reason to shadow box at this stage if he wanted to/accepted he was leaving. He sounds very genuine that he desperately wants to stay.

I don't have the answers to all the questions. So best guess on the 'extra elements' is there are things in his job that are more related to the captain role eg setting an example, motivating/supporting teammates, ensuring the game plan is being followed, playing the 'General' role and ensuring set-ups occur. As you suggest all players should be able to do those things but Viney would I suspect have them in his on-field remit. But tbh his score differential suggests he didn't necessarily succeed in those, which is what fans have observed. But that is all guesswork on my part based on what I see other team captains do and how their on-field jobs differ to their players. Other players may have their own individual on-field KPI's to be scored highly for a game. That is the best answer i can give. But my perceptions could be all wrong. The bnf isn't equitable. It is skewed in favour of how many games are played. The more games the more opportunity to get votes. It usually wouldn't be an issue as most players would play 19-22 games. This year only 12 players reached those numbers. 10 of those made up the top 10. Those to miss were Jones (22 games), Hibberd (19 games).

Criticisms of Viney's position are a bit churlish. His score (323) has an extra element of his leadership role, which we can't rate. Without that element he probably would have been below Harmes (319) and Petracca (293). You could say Viney, Harmes and Petracca were about equal. Sounds right to me as the difference between their scores is miniscule over 22 weeks. I'm delightfully surprised with Fritsch's performance and I thought Salem's year was better than the scores show. Well done to Max and Clarrie.

2018 Result Comparing the two boards shows how poor the coaches thought our year was! Last year it was won with 657 votes; this year with 464. 10th position came in last year at 366 votes. This year at 199 votes. As I understand it (and could someone please confirm) 4 coaches give each player a score out of 10 for each game making the max number of votes available as 880. This year a lot of players had 0 to 2 out of 10 scores from all four voting coaches. The comparison accurately reflects our season - it was poor but someone has to win (the right people did) and someone has to be in the top 10 albeit it with a very low score.

A hidden gem in the pps to GCS is the first pick of the second round (currently #20). It is very valuable due to the structure of the draft schedule (Day 1 is for round 1 only) and of live pick trading. Last year the first 3 picks of the second round were traded overnight after round 1 as clubs traded up the order for any preferred players not taken in round 1. Those picks are so valuable the AFL has left Day 2 of the draft free this year for clubs to set up live-pick trade positions. GCS can extract maximum value for pick #20 should they trade it. Whoever holds it, it will be a very valuable chip in live trading come the end of Day 1 of the draft. The live-trade premium for our pick #20 is the reason we reportedly do not want to trade it to Freo for Langdon. I would really like the club to stand its ground on this and find another way to give value for Langdon. Please don't blink, Dees!

I expected it to be both pps and off-field support. Evans has been there for several years now, I think. He would need to get a move on if he is to fix the off-field things. One would hope the off-field support, if it was to be given would have been part of today's package. In the short term the items that benefit GCS the most are increase sal cap and increase soft cap. Other improvements will flow from those, with the right people.

So GCS got a heap of priority picks. But no news of the off field support they really need eg improved club rooms and facilities increased salary cap (Gil refused because he "...has a strong view that salary caps should not be compromised". LOL - Gil has principles! Yeh, I know a cheap shot but couldn't resist!) gold-coast-package Without sal cap increase they will struggle to both attract mature players and keep their young talent. better medical and fitness staff and related resources better development and welfare staff improve the low morale of draftees that play their Home games on dodgy suburban ovals that no-one goes to watch increase their 'soft cap' - Its tough getting football staff to go there without lots of $$. Priority picks are like fool's gold. Stewie Dew said as much mid year when he said pp's won't solve the problems. Without changing the off field issues it will continue to be a revolving door of draftees. I don't mind GCS getting the pps. But it is so frustrating that he AFL have missed a golden opportunity to really help the club. Fix the off-field things and players might stay.

If anyone is going the occasional update would be handy, or a bit of gos would be welcome! News of new club base location/progress.? Jaguar signing up for next year(s).? Outcomes from the presentation to the AFL Commission a few weeks ago. News of replacements for T. Viney, Jennings, Rawlings etc. We wouldn't want to fall behind other clubs looking for similar staff.

2019: 1,2, 15 and 21. (and possibly #9 if they trade it to Carlton for Martin. 2020: Their natural 1st pick. Probably #1 to #3. Their mid round priority pick #11. And whatever top 5 picks they get for Lukoscius and/or King leaving.

GCS priority package makes the split of #3 interesting. GWS have #12 and #18. Their 2020 1st round pick will also be quite high. Hard to find value in there. However, GCS have 1, 2, 15 and 21. They may also have pick #9 if they get it from Carlton for Jack Martin. In 2020 they will have their natural 1st round pick (guessing #1 to #3) and 2020 mid round priority: pick #11. I would be looking to split #3 with GCS: 2019 pick #15 this year (if they get it) plus 2020 #1 to #3 next year? Or if they get #9 from Carlton this year - that plus their #11 next year. Or some other combo. The point is GCS provide much more fertile ground to max the value of our #3. Or it will force GWS to up the ante for it.

And 15 tied to Brisbane's finish. Carlton have pick #9. So 1,2, 9, 15 and 21. Gold Coast had snookered themselves by trading out 2019 picks last year and had nothing between pick #15 and #56. They have a nice top of the draft package now!

draft-bonanza-suns-get-top-picks-secondrounder-darwin-zone-more It's three years of draft assistance includes: Picks No.1 and No.2 at the 2019 NAB AFL Draft. The first pick of the second round (currently pick No.20) at the 2019 NAB AFL Draft. Mid first-round pick (currently pick No.11) at the 2020 NAB AFL Draft. The first pick of the second round (currently Pick.19) at the 2021 NAB AFL Draft That is two priority picks this year. One at the start and one at the end of round 1. The public dialogue was about either the start or the end. Staggering that they get both!

Its about blxxdy time! Such an obvious thing to do! While we are at it, an experienced forward coach please. All year, I've been frustrated with defenders trying to be forward coaches, especially as many of our forwards are inexperienced in their role at AFL level and are converted defenders and midfielders. At some stage we need players who are skilled and experienced in their role.

I wasn't suggestion he should stay at Richmond. More an example in response to how fans overestimate what players earn ie Ellis would reportedly get $350k ish if he stayed. That article is an update on the one I read. It is saying $3m over 5 years which is $600k pa. $600k may put him our of our reach. But I would rather spend that on him than two existing 'depth' role players or one existing role player plus one of the mooted new recruits especially as Ellis is a Free Agent, an 'impact' player. re the 5 years, clubs are getting creative on length of contract eg Gaff, Kelly and I think Coniglio signed 7+ year contracts but there are a few 'outs' built into them. I would like to think that we can also be creative on contract length, terms and shape.

A good example is Brandon Ellis. Two time premiership player. Fast, talented mid. I was surprised to read that he reportedly would get about $350-$400 if he stayed at Tigers. He is going to GCS as a Free Agent for a reported $500k pa. Still not a huge amount. He is reportedly very close to his family who are here in Melbourne. Don't know how we couldn't put up a competitive offer to him. I wish we could have had Ellis. Reckon he would probably be better for us than Tomlinson or Langdon.

I also think that is fair. But we are tying that up for 3-4 years. My point was at some stage we need impact players and will need the money to get them. And having an abundance of 'role players' on good money for 2, 3, 4 years inhibits our ability to get the impact player(s). So I'm all for Tomlinson but would rather keep the money free by either not recruiting him or letting go of others.