deelusions from afar

I reckon this is pretty on the money. How can any of us really know how well / poor Tim Lamb has done? I've definitely been disappointed with the output but it's hard to know where the blame lies. As you say many of the busts were low cost. I feel like some of the other things that have gone wrong are beyond Lamb's control: * trading out Harmes after Jordon left and then on the eve of the Season we lose Brayshaw. * getting Grundy and then the match committee not getting creative with the use of two rucks (one behind play and following the ball etc) as neither are reliable forward targets. Now which ruckman would want to come play with Max (who is the best in the game and can't play any other position)? * how much of the decisions are based on direction from others eg last few years (we need the best wing / half forward we can get for a bag of chips who is a good kick = Billings / Hunter) * what key forward has been available when we have had the salary cap and trading capital? If you were a key forward, would playing for melbourne be a great career move with our widely known issue of forward connection.

He looked great in his first year. He's young - we could get him at a (relative) bargain price... from memory we offered much of the Jackson comp for him?

I think Houston to the Saints makes less sense than in does to us. We remain a chance while the likes of May, Viney and Gawn are in the team (1-2 years) and having someone of Houston's quality will make a big difference particularly in ball movement. But it would be a short term play with what we would have to give up. The saints have some good young quality coming through. But I think by the time they really hit their straps Houston won't be at the same level and they will have given up 1-2 high draft picks in the process. They are better placed taking their two picks and adding to what they've been accumulating the last 3 or so years

I agree - I think outsiders would think there's a chance we might completely implode (which we might)

I hope that's the case and you may be right - it just struck me as a carefully worded statement where it gives him an out to go a different direction when / if he wants / can. That might be unfair... he's definitely been through a hell of an ordeal with the injury and since... but the whole point of a statement is to get the words exactly right as in a live interview a quote can easily be misconstrued (as our president found this week). The points I made in my last post about the statement clearly were not accidental and as a supporter of the dees (and our no.5), that makes me sad. So while I hope your take is correct, until there's more evidence to demonstrate that, I'll keep my take.

Do we know who the saints would be after? I wonder if we could convince them that's who were thinking of picking at 5 and then suggest an alternative of their 6 and 7 for our 5, F1 + ??

I'm relieved that Petracca has released a statement - if nothing else than it gets the club out of the bad media spotlight for a bit. However, I did find the statement both interesting and disappointing by what it didn't say. It has been very carefully crafted. For example: He says he loves his footy... but nowhere does he express his love for the club - where he has won a premierships and north smith with many of his closest mates. Usually this type of statement would have something like "I love my footy, I love this club - the players, the staff, the fans..." On his future he "remains committed to the red and blue" but it doesn't say for life or for his contract etc He also says "I voiced my concerns as a leader, wanting better for our club, playing group, and fans." Maybe this is accurate - maybe he was doing the hard thing and trying to generate the change needed. But from the snippets in the media, this seems more revisionist history being written and (until there's reason to think otherwise) the reference to wanting better for the fans seems disingenuous. i guess we'll have to wait to hear what he actually says when he's interviewed about it all.

An adelaide supporter made of mine was prety upset McAdam left the crows. Talking to him he said give him a full pre-season - he's clearly been down on fitness, form and confidence this season. At his best he is a difficult matchup like Fritsch, Melksham and maybe Turner in terms of his mobility and ability to win it in the air and on the ground. He deserves another season - but if it's similar this year it is going to look like a very ordinary decision to trade him in.

Yes given our current reputation, I can't see us attracting much. The drafting will be critical.

I'm not a Roffey fan, but I'm not sure what people are realistically expecting her to say. She's not going to fire people on the radio. She's not going to say how hurt / disappointed / angry they are with Trac. It seems a bit odd that she hasn't spoken with him. But given his apparent grievances, it makes sense that this is handled by the football department. Do people think everyone calling Trac now is going to help - it's probably more likely to push him away. She's not going to go on about any internal problems that are still either simmering away or being dealt with - as the media will spawn more articles on whatever she says. So she has to try to straight bat everything. She's certainly not going to advocate for a full externall review. It is really a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Having said that, while all this stuff with the ex-Pres continues, it seems like its very hard for the likes of her and Pert to get on with the job and for the club to get any clear air. Gawn is trying to generate this - with the contract extension and talk of helping Clarry get back to AA form. As per the other thread re selflessness, this has to start at the top. What is the true selfless action for our leaders such as Roffey and Pert. I don't know the situation well enough but it could be stepping aside until all the legal challenges are done... equally it could be continuing on in fixing the club despite all the criticism. I think most of us really don't have an idea what is going on - judging people's effectiveness just from their media answers is probably unfair.

I get your point but there are a lot of differences. For starters: As good as Barrass is, he is not in the conversation for top 3 let alone top 50 players in the league. He is not West Coast's marquee player. West Coast are in full rebuild mode, prior to the Trac news, Melbourne believe we are still in the window (eg wanting Houston). The Barrass story has been in the news all year despite his denials West Coast has not gone through a turbulent season in the media like Melbourne has - ie it doesn't fit into a larger narrative about West Coast other than they are rebuilding and he doesn't think he'll get a shot at a premiership by the time they are contending again.

Could this be connected to Trac in some way I wonder? As in they were housemates and Trac went to visit Kozzie's home in the first documentary (I think last year). Maybe Team Petracca are using another tactic to blow up the club? Or maybe Kozzie is seeing ANB leave for family reasons and thinks he wants the same? Please don't go Kozzie!!

While I agree, I also imagine that like all of us they are hurting with what is playing out in the media. They probably feel like what is reported is not accurate and so it's their way of flying the flag... which actually just adds to the noise and probably does the opposite of what they intended. They are human too.

That's a bit harsh. We haven't seen the best of Sparrow this year. But when he speaks he sounds like he's more switched on than most players. He's also one of the few that apparently can go with / tackle petracca at training.

While I agree, I also imagine that like all of us they are hurting with what is playing out in the media. They probably feel like what is reported is not accurate and so it's their way of flying the flag... which actually just adds to the noise and probably does the opposite of what they intended. They are human too.

I don't think that's right. Surely there's no way we pay any of his salary. We can just say no. If he found a suitor that can satisfy us with picks and trades, he can renegotiate the contract with the new club (I'm sure they'll be happy to pay less). If the new club want to pay less (probably because that's all they could afford) and he wants to get the same amount, we just say no. It's the opposite situation of Grundy because the pies wanted Grundy out so had to pay a significant portion of his contract.

This is why picks are better - if Trac goes like this then we need to start again with a new group as we're not going to be able to attract anyone of note. Our kids are good - we add a few more the next two years and it will turn around.

This isn't a swipe at you but all these people work in the media and are encouraged / rewarded for breaking stories and having opinions that get clicks. Even if they were incorrect or heavily embellished, they are impossible to be proven wrong and no one at this point will believe a denial. I'm not saying there's nothing going on... but our sources aren't necessarily reliable ones.

IF what is being reported by the "journalists" is true... then it's just so sad. We waited for 57 years to break the drought and our Norm Smith medal winner wants out of the club when after a number of things unravelled a few years later. It's bad enough that the likes of ANB and Harmes will have finished their careers elsewhere when we watch the 2021 replay... but would never have thought the Trac would be elsewhere. I thought he was our next Captain. I made a book about him for my nephews. It's heartbreaking. I remember the pain of Woey and Farmer and they were bad enough... but this is another level.😭

Yes I listened as well though took something different from it. Goody basically said about 5 times that Petracca has a contract for 5 years and is going nowhere. I think the 'as it stands right now' comment was just him saying the same thing a different way - it didn't strike me as he was being very careful to allow an out. Otherwise it undermines everything else he said in the same press conference.

I feel like this sort of comment is a bit unfair. Most key forwards don't come close to hitting their straps until their early 20s at best. Caddy was always touted as someone ready to go year 1. Jefferson was always going to take extra years - he has a different frame and different style of game. The fact that he has come a long way in the VFL this year is an indication that he is going the right direction.

We needed a key forward in 22 and 23 and it might have helped this year. But this year has exposed other weaknesses greater than the tall forward stocks. I wouldn't say no to someone of his quality but he seems to have too much injury baggage.

Not sure if it is just because of the weekend's performance, but I think the talls in our forward line are looking ok (particularly with the development of Jefferson). In my view it has been getting better most of the season and it is more the midfield that has let us down this year (which makes sense given the personel). It really comes down to good ball movement and skills. If we could clone Windsor a few times, that is the sort of player we need more of - fast, good skills, good decision making and surprisingly good in the contest. I guess you could say McVee also has these qualities. I also think the Houston interest is about having more players in the back half that can open up the game on transition. We don't have too many players that open up the game with long accurate kicking. Melksham is one of the few that does it in our team every now and then when he roams further up the field. Given our athletic / mobile medium-tall forwards - particularly Disco, Fritsch, Melkshem and McAdam (haven't given up on him), having an extra player or two that can kick accurately over 50m would help us enormously. So while they'd be helpful and great gets, I'm not sure Waterman or Rachele are really going to get bang for buck

I think he was just hosing down the reports that there was a rift by saying it was more that they missed and so were asking (maybe themselves) "where's Trac?" Maybe Max didn't fill the players in or maybe he did but not to the full extent and so players are thinking Trac is more into his tiktoks and spending time in better weather despite being one of the highest paid - not realising how he was struggling?

It's funny, I didn't get the same things as others from Jake's interview. He was professional and sais the right things. Firstly, in terms of what he revealed in the interview - and not wanting to be seen as supporting someone like Caro - but if the players were wondering "where's Trac?" as he mentioned, why didn't one of them call / text him? And if they did and didn't get a response, didn't they keep trying or escalate it until they knew he is ok - it doesn't sound like anyone did that. It comes across like when a player like Max is getting worked over by the opposition and no one comes to check in / help them out. These guys are meant to be close! It just doesn't add up. This is obviously not on Lever but Gary / Tim didn't follow up at all. Secondly, I hope he's not our next captain - he doesn't have the charisma / personality for mine. He would do a good job, but I hope by then there is an alternative. I know others / most will disagree. Before the last month I thought it was going to be Trac.