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This is not potting anyone that's made the Fyfe references - but isn't he a bit small for this kind of comparison (unless he's still growing)? I know its only a few centimetres and players can play shorter or taller than their height... but he's currently 3cm shorter than Fyfe. For context he's 1cm shorter than Rivers and 1cm taller than Petracca.

You're probably right - but if you were involved in the recruiting or management of WCE you would not want your social media manager doing this now as it just boxes them into a corner.

It's quite funny - Gary wants Harley sooo bad! Goin into bat for the dees but trying to not to b=make it too obvious!

Intrigued to know if we packaged up 6 or 11 with 42 and F1 to get a bit higher, and somehow managed to trade for Reid, do we have picks after 42 eg for Brown? Or do we go with less on the list next year? Or can we have extras train over the summer and pick them up in the pre-season draft (does that still happen?)

Interesting to see how all parties manage expectations from here. On the West Coast Bigfooty board (I know) they are underwhelmed by the offers. The seem to think they will get 2 and 3 from North and give something back. As delusional as it is - if they're fans genuinely think that then the generous offers that are already there are not going to cut it for their fans. The hawks offer for them is the closest (but has the risk of the hawks climbing the ladder next year).

I thought this was something that Carlton were happy to have out there (given they had his brother they knew all about him) which enabled them to get him (and McKay) in the one draft!

I'm warming to the sound of this guy. Tall (200cm) which might be helpful with the height of many key forwards, athletic, good contested mark / one-on-one and a reliable kick. What's he like in terms of speed and endurance?

I may have egg on my face at the end of the day but I can't see how the MFC would trade Petty this trade period. He's arguably our most important player next year if he's able to reproduce the kind of form he was in prior to getting injured. The trade scenario is creative but I think that's overvaluing Himmelberg - GWS paid so much to get pick 1 (Cadman) last year, can't see them giving up on him after 1 year. Seems a lot for Adelaide to be paying for Petty (from our perspective he's worth all of that - but that's because he can play positions in our team that we have no one else as backup)

I reckon we're up to our eyeballs in this (pick 1) - the likes of Cal Twomey generally predict the first round so he wouldn't be saying we're a chance if we're not. Having said that, if you were West Coast, why wouldn't you wait until draft night for the best offer?

Yes - was chatting with an Adelaide supporting mate over the weekend. He said McAdam is definitely a best 22 player for them but said he didn't play a lot of games due to injury and suspension. Yes he's 28 (and I'm not saying I don't think our offer is reasonable) - but he's a bit better than some on here are giving him credit for.

If Petty played at another club and entered the national draft at his age with his level of experience, we would take him with our first pick - he's a young physically mature key position forward AND back that has proven ability to play at a high level in the AFL. There are likely KPP in the draft that could have better careers than him - but they are less bankable than he is at this point in time and they are not ready to hold down a key position post like he is. The idea of getting pick 10 for him is ludicrous.

Apologies if others think this belongs in one of the various trade / drafting threads - merge with them if you think that's where this belongs - just didn't want to put their a derail those threads. With the discussion regard trading up for Reid v 2-3 kids v targeting an established player it has made me ponder this question. Is it your stars that get you over the line in September? Or is it the so called bottom 6 - i.e. if they are stronger than your opponent, that will come to the fore in finals. You regularly hear the argument for both by different people at different stages. Obviously it's unlikely to be a straight forward answer - arguably our top 6 in recent years (for the first time in my lifetime) are as good as any other team's top 6... but none of them are key forwards and most currently start in the centre square. Equally some players might be seen by most as being a bottom 6 player in a team - but internally they may be rated much higher because their unheralded work and sacrifices enables the stars to be at their best. As much as he frustrates me at times, arguably ANB is such a player for us. It's hard to know what the right price to place on a player such as Reid. It's rare for the number pick to go on to be the best player in their draft - but on average they tend to have longest careers which indicates they're more bankable than anyone else. I look at the other contenders and they all have a 18-20yo gun midfielder that we don't have - Pies (Daicos), Lions (Ashcroft), Port (JHF). Reid seems to be able to do it all and has the swagger that the best players have - so part of me wants us to give up what it takes (eg 3 first rounders +) to get him. On the other hand, even if there is no more trading, we are currently in position to get one of Sanders / Curtin / O'Sullivan - who arguably could bring more of a point of difference to our midfield/team - and potentially a player like Windsor who would add the outside run and carry that we so desire. We would then still have our picks for next year too. How is it possible to rate Reid so highly that we would prefer him over 3 likely best 22 players for the next 5-10years (and some could become top 5 players). But it's also possible that Sanders wants to head home to Tassie in future or he becomes serviceable rather than a star and similar could be said for Curtin. Interested in others thoughts

Is this us next year??

Are we wanting to draft 2 players plus brown or 2 players including brown? Or could it be 2 players and try and rookie brown?

or Casey medical room

North are ahead of West Coast in their rebuild so will probably start rising up the ladder earlier. If North truly believe Curtin is the best prospect at their next pick (which they prob don't) they should back their system in. They have so many midfielders already... if they get the best midfielder at 2, surely it makes sense to look at Curtin / O'Sullivan / Caddy at 3 for team balance? (which is why we'd be a chance to trade up to 3 with 6 and 11 or whatever others are proposing).

But surely if North want Reid (which they do) they can make it known that they will draft Curtin with pick 3. On the one hand that could be overs... but given they already have a lot of talented midfielders and would be getting another at pick 2, a utility like Curtin would be a good fit for them. If WCE believe North might take Curtin at 2/3, then surely its curtins on your proposal above?

Port's approach to their defence is interesting. Ratugolea showed promising signs in defence as an individual this year... but Geelong's defence looked much better once he was no longer in the team. To me they need a lockdown defender to allow Allir to go third man up. Instead they're chasing two defenders that haven't been able to play the lock down role in Ratugolea and BZT. Odd

Could mean that he plans to leave at the end of 2025. But it could also mean he's backing himself in to have a big year in 2024 (eg playing forward every week and hopefully injury free) to command a bigger contract.

Maybe wrong thread for this but I don't think Sullivan will get to 11 will he?

It's a good point. I'm hoping it's because they wanted to know they had the $650k freed up for something in the next few days

Improvement in teams often comes from players already on the list. One of the upsides for us is that we have a handful of kids who have shown glimpses of talent but been unable to crack in permanently because other than the key forwards, our side has been so set. By this I mean: Woewodin, Turner, Laurie, Howes, Andy Moniz-Wakefield (There's a handful of others who have got a bit of developing to go). They're unlikely to all make it, but I suspect there's a few there that will become long term players in the senior side. Next year they will get their chance after 2-3 years building their bodies, fitness and learning the game style at Casey.

If we were able to do a salary dump deal with GWS to net pick 7, would 6 and 7 get Harley done? Surely 6,7,11 is too much?

Might be onto something - North need Key Position Players... but obviously you have to take best available at the point end of the draft. The top 3 are midfielders and there's a couple of Key Position Players in the 6-12 window?

This is interesting. On its face it's not a fantastic deal for us. But does it do the following (someone else can correct where I get it wrong): Frees up approx $650k (in addition to Harmes, Hibbo, Jordon etc) - so we are preparing a war chest for the GWS salary dump or a highly paid player (maybe even next year); It gives us an extra pick next year - which gives us more flexibility in terms of trading future picks this year; and It gives us a pick which we might use on McAdam or Fullarton?