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Weird has shown plenty the last couple of games as a ruck forward. Be interested to see him played in that role for the pre season and into next. Just might be his future role at AFL level. Couldn’t play him, Tmac and Brown in the same forward line but you could play him Tmac and JVR who has a lot more mobility and much better below his knees

It wasn’t a smart Alec comment it was intended to strike a nerve and it did. Go and have a good look at yourself and your post it’s seriously one of the most pathetic threads ever. I’m sure St Kilda, GWS, Dogs, Bombers, Carlton, Suns, Freo and North are all patting themselves on the back because they are ahead of us in this stat. I know you’re still dirty you missed being there last year but FFS, take some heart in knowing being slightly underdone or off looks 100 times worse than it actually is The dream for this year is over but we aren’t falling off the cliff

Before anybody says it This is VFL, no matter what JVR does today, it’s no guarantee that he would have brought that to AFL, games quicker, defenders are better and our delivery is not great at AFL level. Dont blow a gasket thinking about what if He will continue to grow and be great for us moving forward

Sometimes you have to rob Peter to pay Paul. We moved Petty forward to take contested grabs or bring the ball to ground. We pushed one up to the back of contested stoppages, which exposed Lever to being accountable. It was real roll the dice stuff, we can point to Petty kicking a goal and creating another but we can’t ignore it creates issues the other way especially to the chaos kick from clearances. The coaches would have been aware of the risks

6. Petty 5. Trac 4. Langdon 3. Harmes 2. Nibbler 1. Oliver

Learn from it and don’t do it, seriously it’s absolutely cringeworthy (not just directed at you) to read posts clearly made solely based on emotion and frustration

Id add Jackson, Fritta and Kozzie to that list

Holy F$@&, I thought I had seen it all, but no now is another WTF moment. But this stat beggars belief and the fact an explanation was asked for as to why, is just icing on the cake There are people who live with doom and gloom. They have fleeting moments of happiness but they are waiting for the bad times to return so much they never really enjoy the moment. Carlton just want to get back to finals St Kilda just want consistency over two seasons Bulldogs just want to back up after reaching a GF Freo - want desperately to win their first Premiership Essendon just want to try and win 1 final North made back to back Prelims in 14 and 15, helped a lot GWS couldn’t win a flag when they had the best list in the competition between 15 and 19 Gold Coast would like to have a sniff of finals with 4 games left in a season, let alone have finals consistency Crows haven’t been close since 17 Port look great for a few years in home and away then fell away despite the massive Covid advantage- Brisbane ditto Cats taken a big step forward this season after being September failures for so long West Coast a long way off long rebuild ahead Sydney living in the moment Pies everything going their way in the close ones, not much different to Richmond but they lost the close ones This thread is going to take some beating to be the worst thread on demonland ever

Well Things are never as good as they seem (Rd 1-10) and things are never as bad as they seem(last night) - there’s venting but really some of the posts are just crazy A coach once told me, after a defeat don’t address the players for too long, short sharp and succinct otherwise you will say something out of emotion you later regret. It meant little to me at the time, but when I became a coach I had that moment, which on reflection was really poor and a light bulb moment and it’s impossible sometimes to get the moment back. I would recommend that to several on here, don’t think we all don’t hurt after a loss and see issues. I hate posters who get personal with players. After turning the phone off after last night’s loss, I have calmed down and reflected on what no doubt is a poor end to the season. It’s not wasted, they never are you learn something from them good and bad. Hawthorn started to expose a blueprint and others went to work opening up more cracks. We backed ourselves and stuck for a long time with what we knew. When we tried to change, with quicker ball movement and taking on the 45 in the corridor it wasn’t natural and often saw us getting hurt on turnover either by lack of confidence in not hitting the kick the minute you see it or by running into a wall and trying to handball our way through it. Watch vision from the last 7 games players have the ball there’s a 45 kick on in the corridor the player looks hesitates as if it goes against what we know and then tries the kick or passes on responsibility to a teammate, the moment is lost and you over handball or bomb it in. The pressure up the ground isn’t at last year’s level and we get burnt on the way back I have no doubt the players were told and coached to alternate how we play, but it needs a lot of work, a full pre season and more. When you’re under pressure you go back to what you know muscle memory and what has worked previously. The tweaks to the plan have started but a lot of work to go. Tmac is vital as the lead up the ground creating channels for Brown to lead into. Brown is not a contested mark never has been and has been asked to do what’s not natural for him. I’m not sure JVR is ready, another pre season will be massive VFL and AFL gap is huge, we could roll the dice but list management is always ticking over and player development isn’t always necessarily occurring at AFL level. You come in when the time is right. Fitness, again the Burgess myth, don’t get me wrong he’s probably the best in the business but we’re comparing apples with oranges between last year and this. A lot of our injuries were impact related and we were so banged up towards the end we just couldn’t run out games. Last season outside of Tomlinson almost everything went right injury wise. When Trac went public about not taking a proper break at the end of last season alarm bells went off at the time, the season is long and you need that time to freshen up, he wants to be the best he can but needs to listen to his body and rest up Attitude - injuries had an impact but I reckon we lost that manic hunger to just do whatever it took. Selfless acts weren’t as prevalent and our pressure in the midfield and up forward wasn’t the same as last year. So many times we gave up late goals in quarters which hurt us It’s one thing to say after winning a flag, we want to do this back at our home, but it’s another to actually do everything you can to ensure it happens. Think Rayners spoil last night in the last quarter the kick into the corridor wasn’t immediate, then we take the kick and Rayner decides I’m putting pressure on Salem to at least prevent him playing on quickly. Salem waits for the kick, doesn’t attack it in the air and Rayner who is desperate gets to the ball first. That was us last season you make your own luck and by not being ruthless this year we didn’t put teams or games away and gave teams a sniff For me the biggest need considering the change in style they started to try and implement is another elite kick off half back. Salem got sat on and there were no other options. Jackson isn’t a dud as emotional posters are labelling him, he’s hampered but going to be a good player but he’s the opportunity to play hardball. Two first rounders would be great but Hayden Young is the asking price it changes things big time and you just dig your heels in because you have to give something to get something. Simon and co along with the playing group need to review, reflect, rest and recharge. Come back hungry, change things up a bit, not massively but just have a few more arrows to fire. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water, but don’t pull the trigger to late Goody it’s part of evolving as a coach Good luck to Casey boys today. Watch the AFL finals now with envy, the dog will certainly be calmer now when I’m watching

Goody didn’t win us the flag, didn’t you know that was all down to Yze and Choco. Now that things aren’t running as smoothly as last September it’s all down to Goody

Oh ffs, give it a rest, Spargo was good last week his delivery and decision making was fine. All you do every time you call for Spargo to be dropped is confirm your footy IQ is limited

Good list management, which I expect us to do from 2026 onwards to start bringing in Clarrie and Tracs replacements to compliment the handover

Neeld was poor but Jesus Christ would have struggled with that footy department. The fish absolutely rotted at the head, but I get what you’re saying about that time frame. I have a fair amount of faith in Goody, Choco, Richo, Yze, Chappy, Lamby, JT, Stafford and co

Are you suggesting our footy department know more about the game and the intricacies of each player than Demonland? Wash your mouth out🇮🇪🤣🤣🤣

Yeah reading again get it, big night/early morning will do that to you

WTF Huddo had severe concussion and could barely see properly Simon Black played for another 10 years and remained a gun Carey was a decent CHB but was the best player I have ever seen, Pagan built a game style around him

Brissy 2003 Hawks 2015

6. Clarrie 5. May 4. Petty 3. Langdon 2. Hibberd 1. Fritsch

Oh ffs, give me a spell, Spargo a liability. It was turnovers that hurt us and he doesn’t turn it over

If you’re going to make that comment don’t just select your whipping boys. Viney has been fumbly, Hunt has missed so many easy handball targets. Harmes handballs to Viney when we have a 2 v 1 but handballs to a position where Viney has to check back in and we lose the quick breakaway

He’s playing on Patrick Mcartin FFS and preventing him from peeling off to intercept oh I forgot many of our supporters are stats driven

Grapevines posted it on here a while ago

Yes GNF will post this same news in an hours time

Hope everyone back in Melbourne can get to the G tonight and experience what we all did in 2018 and those of us living in WA experienced last year Enjoy all Go Dees