Demon Dynasty

Doerre's take.... ...."Can't help but think clubs are underrating Tom Green (GWS Academy). A clear cut top-3 quality prospect. Started the year #1 on my board just ahead of Anderson and Rowell and could still make that case. Best stoppage player I've seen in my 11 years watching the U18s. #AFLDraft".

You must have some local intel PSD. A change of location might be just the tonic?

Alot of time for this kid. The upside is huge. One of the best goal hauls in the Nats with 6 and doesn't think twice before nailing them on either side. Him and Henry teamed up for a few lovely goals. 185cm and probably still growing he could turn in to a lovely HF or wing. Some of the moves on this kid, albeit not as consistent as say Henry and Weightman, are something to behold when he turns it on. Would love to snag him.

Another viable prospect with pick 30 IF he doesn't get snapped up prior. "We already have plenty of mids" will be the cry. But do we? Chunk now pretty much done as a full time mid and Goody marking him to play HF in more than likely his final year. Gus 'apparantly' suffering from a chronic back issue which held him back significantly this season. Tracc hoping to play more time through the mid might make up a little for the loss of chunk. But what if Gus has 'one of those years' with injury. That still leaves us at least one down on rotation from an 'inside or balanced' mid perspective. Schoenberg is more of a balanced mid, not dissimilar to the style of Gus imv but could offer handy cover/back up (or better) after a year or so in the system. The guy is all class in traffic, also has a dip and a lovely kick of the pill hitting up short targets on the run with wonderful vision & precision execution. Without getting too excited as there's still no doubt plenty of work ahead to make the grade he just might be one of the most under rated balanced mids in this year's draft in terms of potential upside. Deorre seems to agree going by his article and others must have seen similar with Schoenburg winning his state's MVP and All Australian u18 honours. (Extract from ESPN article)..."Schoenberg averaged 27 disposals, 12 contested possessions, five tackles and five marks during the Under-18 Championships". Not a bad haul. He might go before our 30 but anyway here's some info for those interested... https://m.afl.com.au/draft/prospects https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/28117106/afl-draft-10-most-underrated-prospects%3fplatform=amp https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/harry-schoenberg/

They don't play their footy on draft night 58er. There was no point anyone else bidding on Green after we passed and apparently the Blues only did so (plus Henry straight after) to garner some time to organise their live swaps to trade down.

Don't laugh he does some very solid work.... most of it at.ground level but i guess that's what many small forwards do. Forgot about the likes of Gould & Bianco also. Looks like a nice bonus ahead...fingers crossed.

Well Kozzy is ours Rocky. We are still in the mix to land plenty of talent that will go in the 20s. Roberston, Schoenburg, Taylor, Williams etc

Still a slim chance for Roberston or Taylor at 28 Colm!

Kozzy in the red & blue

Star ruckman don't win premierships. Ours stared this season, won the best and fairest and we still finished second bottom. Square the ledger with ruck stocks....look to fill outside of that with the B+ types and your genuine guns that can turn and win the big matches.

No they will use their fodder to counter Ron...we might but the horse bolted after pick 3 and we handed them Ash as well.

Some would say two ruckman is plenty also wise

Green

Not really LT. Assuming we don't bid on him GWS then get to use their pick 4 on a top 10 prospect and any bid that comes after that will be matched by GWS with a bag of chaff. Why would anyone else bother after that.

Regradless of how they dice it they will still be losing a super valuable pick 4 and don't get to take another shot at the top 10 with it LH. The ONLY difference!?? LH if we land Green or Jackson and then, by bidding on Green along the way, it assists us landing Ash/Weightman (or other preferred contender) from the first 10 or so (instead of them slipping to another club as a result of a GWS no.4 pick) i for one would consider that a very nice coup indeed.

In many circles Green is the best available Bin but there's a few in the mix. We will beg to differ....again.

Nice work thanks Jack and George!

Would need to know how many Cal considers is 'many'. Hope he isn't including Caruso's view in that straw poll.

Not at all BB. I'm saying bid on Green not that the club will. As you say they know more and that will always be fall back position. From what i watched in the Nats Green is the No.3 in this draft. Bidding on him is a no brainer as we stand to win big time if we land him. If GWS step in and say "oh no you don't" and take him with No.4 pick they obviously rate him just as highly. Assuming GWS are forced to bid with 4 we win after anyway by taking Jackson with 3 (effectively at 4) but GWS don't get to snatch an extra top 10 pick in the draft, meaning that there's an extra player to be bid on by everyone. That makes our top 10 pick even more valuable on the night (which we could use in a last minute deal) vs if we don't bid. An extra bid up the order from a club using a bid on the extra player available also potentially might land us a more preferred player with our pick 28. I would recommend you watch Green in the nats if you haven't already BB. Very much a worthy pick at No.3 and will be a key in the GWS midfield for years to come after a few pre-seasons. Assuming he doesn't cop a major injury.

Too costly rjay. Another year to run. Club's already taken a big hit. Looks like the club is starting to have a few concerns also. Earlier they said we are backing in T-Mac and Weid to go around again in 2020 as our two talls but are now chasing a ruckman who they believe can play as a tall forward in the draft.

T-Mac only 4kgs heavier rjay. Does ok hitting the packs i reckon. Too big and next thing you'll be arguing us D'landers forced him to put on too much weight and that's slowed him down!

Well that would be an extremely poor call on the club's behalf if that is the case BB we will agree to disagree on that strategy. The only other club that will bother to test GWS with an early bid is Sydney BB and they will lose as by that stage GWS will have used their pick 4 to take a bonus pick from the top 10. Meaning they only have to match with their rubbish picks from 40 down. After the Swans you are correct, why would anyone else bother knowing the same outcome is forthcoming.

Except that (according to the MFC website) Weid weighed 13 kgs more than Bailey at the start of 2019 ?

Not at all BB. Winning a bid on Green at 3 lands us a top 5/6 player in the draft (according to all the experts) but more than likely forces GWS to use pick 4 to take him (assuming they want him). They then miss out on using pick 4 on another player and we then get to pick up Jackson if he slips through to 10 or if someone else nabs him early others could slip through like a Young or an Ash. Imagine securing Green and Ash in this draft and still having a chance at say Taylor, Kozzy, Rivers or Schoenburg. If they do counter our bid we get Jackson anyway and potentially Ash or someone who slips through unexpected like a Young or a Kemp as we've taken GWS's bonus pick away. That's a fabulous result in any recruiting language.

I think you will find the phantoms you are referring to are the ones with the 'likely' pick orders taken in to account BA once the media had some wind of who (roughly) was likely to bid for whom and also after the pick swaps were settled (approx Nov onwards). Most of the phantoms prior to that (October and earlier) based on pure rankings had him in the top 3 to 6 draftees. Someone correct me if im wrong but from my understanding the only reason they are saying he will go that low on draft night is because they believe we are going to fail to bid on him with 3 when that is the exact thing we should be doing. Failing to bid with the bid before their No.4 then allows GWS an extra free hit in the top 10 with their No.4 pick. The other clubs won't bother after that as the only bid that would really effect GWS is the one that forces them to use their pick 4...ie; the no.3 pick ....ours. Any bid after ours cant come till pick 5, the Swans, which will mean nothing as GWS can just match the bid with their next pick, pick 40 (plus the rest i assume), and also go in to deficit for 2020 assuming they don't have enough points to match a bid at 10 or wherever.