Demon17

Good summary on May. The fact that he turned around his poor start, for many reasons, and became AA standard, and likely chance for AA FB in 2021 ,speaks volumes to his character. He's 28 so lets get the best from him now as a Leadership Group member. He deserves it.

Conversely , and looking how the current Vic - NSW originated outbreak is being managed by all states, I think there is a reasonable chance if a hub is needed it will be a combined WA/SA/Vic bubble, and NSW and QLD (unfortuantely and unfairly for Lions and Suns) teams will relocate here.

Good correction Bing - exactly right on foot skills and lowering eyes to make a good decision

We have. Its just that the plan between mids and forwards isn't workable.

I shudder when he comes up against clarkson ratten longmire chris scott and now justin longmuir.

fair comment. I only have 1 memory of beating the Swans at the G. 1987 first semi final . They have been far superior to us over recent times, but nonethelss they sure play the G well. Its just avoiding the travl to the SCG thats a bonus probably.

And Tigers once.

Geelong at gmhba last round and eagles in perth 3rd last round. But no sydney in sydney. Brisbane once. Freo in melb only. So some upside as you say.

Just about sums up my views Ox. I think Max , May and the leaders on ground will have to get it done. If its down to game day coaching Longmuir will be more than a match for Simon Goodwin - unless yze has started exerting his influence.

I didn't want to be negative but you called it. Saints with Ratten at the helm a strategically a fair way ahead of us. Its a reasonable call on them c.f. us.

In the q and a of last week's forum Goodwin was asked about ruthlessness and he had no idea. Consequntly i think nathan jones is a shoe in to reach 300.

Whats the significance of orange tops for some, Trac, Jackson.....

I see the framework for a great succession plan- if needed. Yze first senior gig, with Choco offeering wisdom and experience as needed as well as ratcheting up talent developemnt big time

Brilliant appointment. You make an interesting observation too re Goodwin. Do you reckon Williams won't be forthcoming on views and feedback etc. I doubt it, which is why the appt. is a good one. Plus a great developer of talent. Well done to Pert, or whomever drove this deal.

Fair point. Thanks. Its as if possibly he couldn't get Dew so opted out of the selection process. He definitely didn't leave Goodwin with any upskilling give Roos strategy pedigree. (He sort of invented the stoppage pressure game) Or so demetriou said.

I do watch him and love him as a Dees palyer. But gee I wish he could hit up a target inside 50. Or even hit the scoreboard himself. But as an inside player, he has no equal.

Not what the article says exactly. The Bombers spoke with Trigg and Wayne Campbell but they "...were'nt offered the job..." You suggest they were and knocked it back.

Don't agree. He couldnt get his man (Dew) because the swans rightfully enforced their contractual rightds - not Roos fault, nor Dew's. Roos stopped the bleeding and gave us some self respect. Set it up beautifully for Goodwin. Who so far has wasted that chance big time. Think Final round 2017, 2018 prelim car crash, 2019, Cairns 2020.

Just a natural progression for Mahoney. Missing CEO role alsways meant he would leave for other opportunities. Good for both him and Pert. Pert now can get someone he may or may not prefer and a good chance for the club to refresh. Best wishes to him. Done as much as he could with us, and he can't go on the ground and kick the ball. Up to Goodwin and the players now.

Thanks Werridee. Very interesting and a great thought - starter. Just could you clarify is someone's position on the list is due to their importance to the team if they played their role correctly, or is it becuase of their talent, latent or otherwise. for example, I don't think Viney is near No. 2 but you might think if he played to his ability and in his best role, he is the number 2 in team value? Thus why is Lever higher than MAy - because of his intercept acpability which you value more highly than May's lockdown ability? Can you expand? Thanks

Good call, And just as important is the off field support he's got over the journey. e.g Getting in Steven May, probably Ben Brown, good recruiting (Luke Jackson and others), Darren Burgess. Adem Yze, Gawn as skipper, (I'm ambivalant on Richardson, but they went and got him in for a reason I presume, which escapes me up to now) No excuses for a minimum 2 finals wins IMO.

Give Dazzle a break. he just missed a comma thats all. Sould have said "...Death, Taxes ......etc)

Lets look at scoreboard pressure - a amjor sign of a great midfielder. 1 goal in every 3 games, In comparison, Kevin Bartlett, 1.9 goals per game albeit he played later as a forward, Gary Ablett Jnr. - 1.3 goals per game, accuracy Even Craig Bradly - 2 gaols avey 3 games. Oliver is top notch for endeavour and courage, and is a serious acumulatr and initiator of moves to the outside, but gee I wish he would hacve more impact that his numbers suggest he could.

AGree that the damaging by foot is not his strength and his status until then will not be in the 'Great' category. It reminds of a comment once by kevin Sheedy, when he said he didn't necessarily count all of Robert harvey's disposals as meaningful, and was happy that he got them where he did - in non- damaging areas of the field.

Possibly. My point is teh club squibbed the resoning by rolling out a justifcation to them personally. Just say "... Look wev'e overpaid you both and its stuffed up our salary cap modelling ..." Sorry.