Demon17

Thanks Werridee. Very interesting and a great thought - starter. Just could you clarify is someone's position on the list is due to their importance to the team if they played their role correctly, or is it becuase of their talent, latent or otherwise. for example, I don't think Viney is near No. 2 but you might think if he played to his ability and in his best role, he is the number 2 in team value? Thus why is Lever higher than MAy - because of his intercept acpability which you value more highly than May's lockdown ability? Can you expand? Thanks

Good call, And just as important is the off field support he's got over the journey. e.g Getting in Steven May, probably Ben Brown, good recruiting (Luke Jackson and others), Darren Burgess. Adem Yze, Gawn as skipper, (I'm ambivalant on Richardson, but they went and got him in for a reason I presume, which escapes me up to now) No excuses for a minimum 2 finals wins IMO.

Give Dazzle a break. he just missed a comma thats all. Sould have said "...Death, Taxes ......etc)

Lets look at scoreboard pressure - a amjor sign of a great midfielder. 1 goal in every 3 games, In comparison, Kevin Bartlett, 1.9 goals per game albeit he played later as a forward, Gary Ablett Jnr. - 1.3 goals per game, accuracy Even Craig Bradly - 2 gaols avey 3 games. Oliver is top notch for endeavour and courage, and is a serious acumulatr and initiator of moves to the outside, but gee I wish he would hacve more impact that his numbers suggest he could.

AGree that the damaging by foot is not his strength and his status until then will not be in the 'Great' category. It reminds of a comment once by kevin Sheedy, when he said he didn't necessarily count all of Robert harvey's disposals as meaningful, and was happy that he got them where he did - in non- damaging areas of the field.

Possibly. My point is teh club squibbed the resoning by rolling out a justifcation to them personally. Just say "... Look wev'e overpaid you both and its stuffed up our salary cap modelling ..." Sorry.

Exactly RJay. Their Board would have signed off on all the big contarcts - Treloer, Grundy etc. But Buckley's laying the blame on the senior players re: Treloar and '.. Im just passing on the feedback..." type comments, along with ignoring Stephenson is a disgrace and will be an ongoing blight on his reputation. Leader? - you're joking. Stephenson was likely troubled in his gambling year big time, media pile on etc, and then a maojr illness pre-season. What did they think was going to happen to the kid. He's only 21 for gawds sake. Message: Don't own up to mental illness or fraility at the Pies - your on your own.

Good point on Viney. It would greatly improve defensve forward pressure with him in the vicinity.

History actually says over the past 20 years its more lke 2.6 teams. Rounded up to 3. I like your analysis, but I see the saints , albet the current media darlings, as the most vulnerable.

Good call here. I have very little confidenece in the coaching panel to effectively deal with the ' see ball - kick ball' mentality of the midfield into the forward half for which I hold the panel esponsible. During 2020 when the eyes were miraculously lowrered for a few weeks it all came together , but made a big impact in the media and on here because its such a rarity to see of this team. It lasted maybe 3 weeks then back to old habits. Whcih midfield coach will fix - which forward coach will fix. Adem Yze will be a hero if he can do something on this .

Fair point Nascent. I don't believe any 'inside info', just looking at the equation.

Surely the alarm bells are ringing. Why the discrepancy and whats wrong with Brown? Without a satisfactory answer this should be a No Deal IMO. And not the standard cliche about wanting a new start. What's really happening here?

Bombers.

He barracks for the Bombers

Not necessarily. Its an elitist stadium and most locals couldn't afford the members reserved seat prices even if they wanted to attend a match. Very little GA seating in comparison to the rest of the ground. Community facilites in name only - try booking them. Tehy even objectd to Western melb Soccer using the ground when free last year. Further, the amount of Capex into this ground is sucked away from other deserving and more global infrastructure, such as the arts precinct, galleries etc. The new Library was only just finished a few years ago after decades of waiting - but not Kardinia Park. They got it when they neeeded it. And most games are never fully booked, looking at the records for 2019. So where is the demand.? Drop prices so more people could attend - you must be joking. Business benefits - locals will tell you its only the restaurants etc on a home game day after a win that benefit, but even now, most games are at night anyway. Don't get me started on this rort.

Exactly. And bear in mind Stafford did play as a forward for a few early years and his accuracy record histrorically in those years was up with Dunstall and the very best. He knows how to kick, but can he instruct smaller players who likely have varying actions?

Bad call by both Nathan and the Club. So we are paying for the stupid decsion regarding James McDonald a decade ago. Best games this year were against the Crows and Pies. Both basket cases of teams at that time. But then if someone offered me 250K a year to run around in the secounds I'd take it. But gee, life moves on and so should Nathan.

I was confused at the time also. The tiges conversely against the power celebrated big time as teams making the gf should. It doesn't impact their performance the following week necessarily. Just demonstrates how much the penultimate success means. I suspect you may be right. Maybe danger over-thought the issue. The cats would have taken any other team probably. Not on Dusty's watch though.

I thought you'd say that. There's lots of interesting and insighful commentary on the site. Your's isn't one of them. I'm surpised and dissappointed.

So why are you - the Moderator - gving this issue airtime. And don't tell me its about opinions and freedom of speech. Do you have a vested interest in these guys click numbers. It looks like it to me.

Well said. And as an aside to your comment, Just because he's tempermental ( which he may or may not be ) doesn't deny him his human rights to call out racism. The Pies culture has plenty of form from the top on this issue.

Below is the Barrett article on AFL News today. If this isn't click bait I don't know what is and the thread should be shut down. I have boldened the type on the words "...May...", not Barrett "...IF ... there's a player the Blues may still want to add to their list alongside the soon-to-be official acquisitions of Williams and Saad ... THEN ... it may be the contracted Demon Clayton Oliver..." It may also be Fyffe, or Treloar, or Pendlebury, or Martin, or , Dangerfield, ... or,.... or..................... Barret no doubt has a KPI for bonus or salary on Views per Article, and possibly, number of times he is re-quoted, like I am doing. He's a hack and this is a brillaint piece of tabloid journalism gaming the process. Again - close this thread and lets not hear any more about it. Hutchy would be so proud of him.

I like your thinking. Like many youngish coaches he will be better second time around and learnt development under Lethal.

A credit to Burgess is my take. he could have easily walked away and under all the current circumstances few would blame him. That he remains, hopefully, to honour his contract is a class act.

Without a Brendan Mccartney-type proven developer of talent in the club I fear for the next crop also coming in like Jackson, Sparrow and Rivers. We had an alledgedly A-Grade list in 2017 onwards and I don't want any further waste from here.