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I like your analogy better at least there is hope in yours.

I don't think it is the game plan or the FD or the coaches. It is the guys that run out for the first bounce. They are just not good enough. Could not implement the DB plan and although it is very early days they are not looking flash at implementing this one. The problem is our senior players are mainly average there are few to get the job done. IMO it is that simple

I doubt I could have said it better. The toigs thing is beginning to get to me. Even Miller is looking good

Hardtack your last paragraph is like the man standing among the ruins of his house and saying gee I am glad we only got a force 3 cyclone up the road it was 4. Sorry but I could not help myself. At least the sides you mention know they have matched them in the past and can prbably do it again. We have matched the hawks for 2 years in the past 30.

Thanks Redleg I have only one problem. We might struggle to get 22 for the weekend but the upside is Casey will have plenty to chose from.

PSD "expect 10 - 12 wins" is my problem I might hope for that many but what is the reality? I believe 8 tops I am praying for ten but have no confidence we will get them. I believe one of our biggest problems in 2011 is the same one as 2012. i.e. very few good senior players, who is going to hold up the team while the kids improve / mature? Look at Saturday night our best player in Jones was not exactly a verteran. The senior players were once again among our poorest players as it was in 2011 and I fear in 2012. We will be competitive against the last half dozen side probably beat most of them. but once we come up against the top 10 sides our lack of good senior players is exposed. From my view point this will likely go on for the next few years.

That is the proplem once you go past two guys with 69 games between them the cupboard looks very bare

Oh good you got the message. I just see little quality across the team Leaving the ranting aside. How many games are you confident we can win and who will we beat. I would like to know and I am not trying to take the mickey out of you. Just interested in your opinion

Only joking wyl Got up this morning and thought humour is a commodity we are going to need a lot of in 2012. So the light heartness has started. I think I just created a word. Have a great labor day.

I agree and it was i think his first game of the year. Even JC would struggle get saturdays night's team off the canvas. What worries me is he is probably going to have to carry more than 50% of the load. It is a very big job for someone so inexperienced, especially if we have a year similar to 2011. Poor kid will on his knees by mid year. Imagine having to shoulder the job through a few more of saturday nights results.

I was starting to believe until you got to the fourth line, sixth word. Can you edit with "You are going to have Blease and Davey pushing for similar positions." I can live with that. Carn the Dees

Thanks for the advise dee-luded

What it may show us McQueen is that there may be a distinct lack of alternatives. One Jack has played a handfull of games ( 32 ) over 4 years and the other has played about the same number of games (37 ) That must be some sort of record for two co captains with a total of 69 games between them.

What the hell we have been waiting 47 years.

Whats an iPhone?

Sounds fine to me however I would lay off on Neeld till after the game against Port. Does that seem fair!

Hi Redleg I have not seen your thoughts or have I missed them? Did you see any improvement? I was struggling it had all the earmarks of Geelong last July. God what does that hold in 2012!

You make very good sense RB. But please lets not lay it all at JW's feet. There are IMO a lot of players who have been found wanting year in year out. WE do not have enough of the right cattle. MN, MM cannot get blood from a stone That job is reserved for JC and he has not been seen a lot in the last 2000 years.

I have them firmly in the maybe camp bing181 But look at the results. They beat us the last time we played. They beat the reigning premiers by 9 goals We got beaten by a semi finialist by 13 goals They have probably the best young midfielder of the last 5 years. We have um err Jones. They have a proven full forward we have umm! I think he has a broken wrist and may well spent most of 2012 away from Melbourne. The list goes on. Hell I might change my mind.

You are probably fairly close to the mark Bing and my comments may be negative but I am very tired of being positive when the results consistantly show year in year year out that we are an ordinary side. Flat describes it and the problem will not go away, Jurrah will be a constant sourse of negative vibe all year. Just as TS was last year.

Hi RobbieF nice to see you on here again. Just had to re type 2 lines mate as I suddenly got it. Bit slow tonight I think and not 1 single malt has passed my lips. Oh Hell perhaps that is the problem. By the way did you see that bum Darling got a super goal last night. Gee I am glad we did not draft him

Sorry to be thick RR but I have no idea what that line means. Can you explain a bit please.

Actions speak louder than words. I will believe it when it happens. Unfortunately for me i have seen way too many false dawns.

You may well be right DD what worries me is he the only one?

"Trying" is the word Big Jim. Who do think are the teams we can beat? I truely struggle with more than six wins. Lions 2 GWS 2 GCS 1 Port 1 we are then a chance against the Bulldogs and Richmond if we strike them at the right time i.e. our injuries down and theirs up. Beyond those teams I think it is fanciful to imagine we can beat the other sides.