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Discussion on this has filtered through other threads, but I was interested in what people thought of two key aspects to the Roos philosophy, as reiterated in his latest interview on the club website: 1. "Every player is tradeable and every pick is tradeable" Roos has made this known from an early stage and has also made it known to the player group that they are all tradeable. I'm sure some coaches share this philosophy, but I can't recall one who has been quite as vocal. Is this reasonable/realistic? Is Nathan Jones tradeable? Is Jesse Hogan tradeable? Is it sending a destabilising message to the players, or is this just part and parcel with professional sport? 2. "Melbourne fans won't cop another rebuild.." This relates to Roos' desire to top up the list with experience to make an immediate impact on the win/loss column. Prima facie this seems a wise move, particularly when contrasted with the Bailey approach of kids, kids and more kids. Fundamentally, Roos needs to "fix" the list to fill the void left by several years of ill-conceived draft picks and senior players that have moved on. But is a priority given to older players, particularly if they are acquired with high picks, a temporary fix? Is there enough raw talent in the youth ranks to take the club towards the ultimate, or does this potentially set the club on a path to mediocrity? Is Roos getting the mix of experience and youth correct?

Watching Roos' response in the latest Burgo interview, safe to say that Mitch is gone. For whatever reason, Roosy just does not seem interested in keeping him at the club. I find that very odd, but I'm not privy to all the circumstances surrounding it.

I think you have to be a supporter to truly appreciate him. Outsiders get glimpses when they can stomach watching the Demons play, but those of us who watch the team every week get the full picture. And it is every week, no matter the carnage taking place around him, that he stands up. When he retires, he won't be remembered because he had the most ability, although he has plenty. He'll be remembered because he decided not to become yet another poster child for failed development at the Melbourne Footy Club, and instead became one of the most respected players in the league and redefine what it means to play for the red and blue. Jones has become the player he is largely through sheer will and determination, and whatever support he may have received along the way, a lot of it he would have had to do on his own. He also did it during the lowest period the club has experienced in living memory. For 3 years running he has been the bastion of pride at this club. And counting. For all of this, he will be remembered for a long time.

This one gets spun a lot but I don't see how it excuses dropping the simplest of marks again and again, or missing teammates that are 15 metres away. He needs to execute the basics a lot better. Overall a big let down for mine. Outside of a few games, he ranged from average to very poor. For Pick 20 we could have Hrovat or Broomhead on our list. He needs to find some consistency next season. .

From memory he claims he is in his 20s, which I find almost impossible to believe.

Sums up my position exactly.

I don't see it as bagging you, more your attitude. All you seem to do is mope around the place under this misguided notion that it is achieving something. It isn't. It brings others down. That's pretty much all it does. I like your passion. I just think it is misplaced lol.."if any MFC employees are reading this". Surely you jest mate. Seriously. Like they are going to read that WYL on Demonland thinks we should have chosen Wines over Toumpas, behind the thousands of others who hold the same view, and then what? Hop in their time machine? You are complaining about the past. Something that can't be altered. We have new people responsible for these decisions, and the early evidence suggests they are more than capable. Of course Wines would have been a good pick up, but it is totally ILLOGICAL to be putting a line through Toumpas yet, given his injury history. You are just willing the kid to failure and are going to send yourself batty if you remain fixated on the career of Ollie Wines.

Any criticism of him gets labelled as "bashing", and I've even read that him placing 10th in the BnF apparently invalidates everything ever said about him. So if that is the starting point for the discussion, it's all a bit fruitless isn't it? All that is deemed acceptable now is to say "Go Jack!", otherwise you are just a big internet meanie who knows nothing. Go Jack!

Did lol

Is that your answer to those questions? Toumpas had hip surgery? That's your research is it? How could you keep this incredible insight to yourself? For shame! You should've been on the phone to the club letting them know! The jury is still out on Toumpas. They knew he would take time when they drafted him. But you don't want to hear that do you? It's clearly far more pleasant putting a line through him, whinge and whine on here every time Wines plays well, and generally be a misery guts who lays claim to knowing better than professional recruiters.

lol Absolutely ridiculous post. True to form.

Hell no.

Okay, humour me. How did you know? What research did you do? Did you do any comparative analysis between him and other potential draftees and if so, what was the extent of it?

...and? Talk about flogging a dead horse. Constantly whining about this achieves precisely nothing. He's a Port Adelaide player and has been for 2 years now. 2 YEARS. And you're still bleating about it. Please enlighten us with your recruiting credentials that makes you such an authority on how Wines was the better choice ahead of Toumpas. Wines has started off the stronger and you sit back in your high chair and rue a drafting decision that in all your wisdom knew was the wrong one? Spare us please. You had no idea. You're a revisionist who likes to complain a lot. Get. Over. It.

Shafted in the 22 under 22 side. Suffered the same fate as Chunk in being ineligible as a Melbourne player.

We're so accustomed to being royally shafted that this seems destined to end in one way, and this would top the lot for me. The accusations surrounding his condition are juvenile at best and despicable at worst, but I understand the anger behind them. I'll say on the record that I won't judge the guy until a decision is made. He deserves benefit of the doubt. I'm just in a state of disbelief that he could even contemplate trying to walk out on this club to play elsewhere. I really hope he thinks this through extensively, without his manager always chirping in his ear. There is a thing to be said for plainly right and wrong.

Ollie fines for Ollie whines.

With trademark darting eyes and vindictive tone. This on the back of his threatening to rip someone's throat out for patting him on the back. He looks to me like a coach feeling the pressure of September with his backline crumbling and his premiership window closing.

Can we get a ban in place for posters who are obsessed with Ollie [censored] Wines? 1 week ban to get your kleenex situation sorted out. Seriously, enough.

Contrary to nut, I think we should be looking into Rochford Devenish-Meares. Jr.

Gary Rohan Sorry rjay.

We should do a month where we have Aussie starlets as our avatars. I've got dibs on Rose Byrne and will fight to the death anyone who tries to claim her. So how about that Mitch Clark eh? Shifty Mitch they called him.

All been said. Champion. Heart. Soul. Love. Tats. Bald.

The worst part of your crime is that you plagiarised Robbo.

An average B grader who deserved not to make the AA squad according to some around here.