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Other option would be to bundle this and other threads into a "where are they now" thread. I have to confess, I usually check on Port, not so much for Watts, but to see how our other exes (Trengove and Barry) are doing.

Oh yes I can. Exhibit A, the Bandwagon Effect: "As people come to believe in something, others "hop on the bandwagon" regardless of the underlying evidence." And there's plenty more where that came from. The work of 3 Nobel Prize winners, Herbert Simon, Daniel Kahneman (with Amos Tversky), and Richard Thaler, comes to mind. We are, as Dan Ariely pointed out, predictably irrational.

Oh no there doesn't. There are a whole series of cognitive biases around group/sheep/herd behaviours. And this goes back a long long way. We're social animals, and the pressure to conform to the group (from both self and others) trumps rationality every time (almost).

Surely Tom will have a game or two at Casey - he played the first JLT, but match fitness?

Expert or not, no-one can predict with 100% certainty how the human body will respond to any given treatment.

Laughable.

Latest update. Progressing nicely, but McKenna "setback". Wonder if we'll ever see him in the red and blue. Sounds like Tom Mac is a bit ahead of Viney. http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2018-04-10/viney-mcdonald-continue-to-progress

Because people who are autistic aren't human ... Normative BS, right up there with "gays aren't real men" etc. etc.

You missed out on cures all known diseases and walks on water.

What part of "that's all we could get for him" isn't clear? We only had one (one) offer and had to take what we could get. If we only managed "near on nothing", then the place to look for the reason is with Watts himself.

Watts had a reputation? Yes, but not the one that you're talking about.

No it won't, because even if he performs well at PA, you can't assume that he would have done the same at Melbourne.

A 26 year old player of Watts' type wouldn't have performed at his peak in a Melbourne jumper this year. Any more than he did last year.

Tom McD had ankle operations, this is toe. How to see how they're related or how he "tried to come back a bit too soon". Given the load their bodies are under, coupled with it being a gruelling, contact sport, injuries and breakdowns are just going to happen. There aren't always going to be "reasons", much as we'd love to attribute them.

Perhaps, after 8 years, the penny has finally dropped with Jack. If so, good for him, though even if it has, it doesn't alter that the decision to move him on was the right one. On other subjects (though not unrelated), notice that Trengove didn't play - unless there's an injury, not a promising sign for him. Sad to see if that's the case.

Nothing. Other players are ahead of him. Main knock on Frost was his fitness - that other teams had worked out that they could run him around for 2 or 3 quarters and then run off him once he'd knocked himself out. Whether the reason he hasn't been included is (just) because of that, impossible to know. He's probably going to need one of Lever or Oscar Mac to go down to get a game.

Yes, I know. A player's trade value is ultimately determined by what his football manager says in the press. Every club will know exactly what they're getting, and they'll have their own criteria for evaluating each player. The rest is just background noise.

You're right. MFC is for MFC. As it should be.

We will if a) there are multiple clubs in the running (which seems to the case) and b) we make it clear that it's second rounder or nothing (which seems to be the case).

Adelaide won't accept anything else than a first rounder plus something else (2nd round presumably). Nor would we, and nor would you expect us to.

Bernie was "let go" by the Crows and didn't have much say in it.

Phenomenal news on Lever if we can pull it off - which I'm sure we can, in spite of the huffing and puffing from Adelaide. He and Hibberd, the cornerstones of an AA backline.

Also older. Lever has his whole career ahead of him.

Judging by some of the comments, perhaps some of you might like to explore this further, though it's impossible to draw any solid conclusions from a single test. I live OS, so am a bit out of the loop re how this works in Oz, but usually you would start off with your GP, though that depends on both you and the GP - some are more up to speed than others. The majority of organisations and individuals offering diagnosis are working with kids, so there might be a bit of sorting out of the wheat from the chaff. I'd specifically look for someone: a) specialised in Asperger's and autism, though if you're an adult and there was no speech delay as a kid, we're looking at Asperger's rather than autism (though that's a simplification of the situation, but enough for here), and b) someone specialised in adult diagnosis. Aspergers Victoria look like a decent place to start if you're in Melbourne/Vic. The first meeting with a psychologist or whatever might be nothing more than an exploratory chat to see whether it's worth pursuing or exploring possibilities, so it's perhaps worth at least going that far with it. I'd just say one thing re all this: Adults on the spectrum have grown up with it, and have often learnt to cope by masking the difficulties, especially socially. But that can be much more stressful than what we might be aware of. One of the main causes of death amongst autists is suicide. And the incidence of suicide is highest amongst autistic people who have no cognitive impairment (i.e. invisible autistics like me), where the suicide rate is 9 times the non-autistic population (Swedish study). Tony Attwood has observed that for many adult Asperger's, managing stress and depression is a greater concern than anything to do with autism itself. Not suggesting that's the case of anyone here, but if there's anything in this, speaking from experience, it's worth exploring. If you're autistic, you can never not be (and vice versa). But knowing that you are brings understanding, and with understanding comes the means to live and manage it better. Go Dees.

For those looking for more info - well, it's easy enough to find around the net, though a very mixed bag. In general, the Brits do it well, so anything from the National Autistic Society or other UK organisations is generally good. More specifically, I'd recommend anything by Tony Attwood, he's a British clinical psychologist but been based in Brisbane for yonks. He effectively wrote the book on Asperger's, there's plenty of info on his site, plus his book, Youtube videos (interviews, conferences etc.) etc. But the book I'd recommend above all others isn't really a book on autism per se, but on the history of autism: Neurotribes by Steve Silberman. I learnt more about autism from this than any other, even though that's not the intention. It's also a great read per se, Silberman is an actual writer, unlike most in the field. There are also forums and groups around the place, but I've found most of them fairly heavy going. Many of them end up like training threads. That's not to say there aren't worthwhile online forums, but if you were looking to explore any of this through groups etc., you might need to hunt around a bit.