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It’s not an awesome list, far from it. I just don’t understand how people can keep trotting this out when the evidence to the contrary is there before us every week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_effect

Apart from all the points mentioned here, my 2 takeaways were: - If Max goes down we are well and truly rogered - come next year’s trade period, we are going to need to sign a new full back, whatever it takes

Devastating news. For him, for his family, for the club - don't think re the latter enough are grasping the seriousness of this. Angus was one of the keys to our success (such as it was) last year, and I for one have no doubt that the outcome of that final would have been different without him having been taken out in such brutal fashion. On a footy level he'll forever be fondly remembered for his place in our golden year because I don't see us repeating it in the near future. Losing him is just a step too far, we already had a lot against us in terms of injuries etc but now this ... Devastating news.

Yes, because mature rucks never get injuries.

Upside? Having experienced, senior players around is a key part of developing for the future. We should be thankful that we still have players like Melksham and BBB around. And no doubt the club is.

Plus Billings. FD on top of what the shortcomings have been and traded in accordingly. Much as we love our mids, none of them are great disposers of the ball.

Sorry, but doesn't sound like Jack Viney - much as we love him of course.

He will already have served 3 months by the time there's a ruling. But the club still has to have its 2 cents, so internal consequences (match ban?) coming you'd think.

The fact that most of the players we’ve brought in are forwards speaks volumes as to where the FD think we are.

The fact that he has played actual games in the actual AFL would tend to contradict that I would have thought.

No longer one of us, but perhaps of interest in the context of current discussions re “culture” at the Dees, given that he was moved on. Hope he finds a good place. https://houseoffooty.com.au/i-was-crying-myself-to-sleep-watts-reflects-on-his-toughest-period/

Also footy smarts and experience when it mattered. So many of those close Collingwood wins were driven by Pendles and Sidebottom. That fateful minute against Carlton that lead to the Acres goal was a succession of poor/unnecessary decisions that cooler and smarter heads wouldn't have made.

Perhaps relevant:

Also smart, or smart enough - would much rather Oscar kicking out of the back line than Lever or Tomlinson.

WC are not trading 1 for anything less than 2 single-figure picks, one of those higher than 6. And no matter what they're bundled with. Also, future picks aren't going to help, they need new talent ASAP. Not to mention they've already effectively rejected our 6+11+F1 offer.

The only reason to consider this would be who might be available next year at pick one or two. If there's someone there that the club is really, really into then maybe they'd look at it.

Worked really hard, made vfl team of the year at FB, earned another chance. Was already discussed mid season, with teams interested, so not a surprise. Good luck to him.

They haven't said no, they just haven't accepted it for the moment. Equally, there's no rush. They can just sit on all this until draft night. Equally equally, they're not going to accept that in any case. It's pretty clear that they want 2 single-figure picks, as you would.

Geelong are not doing that, even with a future sweetener. All this is going on because everyone's jostling to get into the top 10, the quality really drops off after that.

Can't see Geelong or anyone inside the top 10 wanting to move lower. Agree re North, was just looking at what might get WC to move. But in reality, I don't see any of these scenarios playing out. No one is prepared to pay enough, even if they have the picks.

Not necessarily, perhaps only one of those. 2 + 6, or 2 + 11 + 15 (or one of their late first rounders). Both v. good for WC I would have thought in terms of rebuilding.

Who knows, but from everything we've heard WC want 2 single-digit picks to even pick up the phone. Everyone keeps saying that there's a real gap this year between the first 8 to 10 and the rest.

WCE have apparently made clear that they would want two single-figure swaps, and one of those would need to be 2 or 3. So 3+9 minimum, though you'd think even that wouldn't be enough to give away Reid.

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