DeeSpencer

What are you disagreeing with? I’m not denying plenty of players take drugs, particularly on long breaks and the offseason. My guess is it could almost be as much as 50% of a list who on end of season trips, New Years, at the spring races etc. 5-10 if not more of the 45 on a list probably have never touched drugs, a lot of people and athletes are like that. Some AFL players weigh their food and count every calorie. They aren’t touching drugs 5-10 are probably taking drugs more regularly than once every while and are at risk of harming themselves and almost certainly not performing to their best. A good club either sorts them out or kicks them out.

Gawn, Jetta, Vanders and Hibberd are listed as emergencies on the AFL website teams

That's a stronger team than I expected. Looks like the older guys rested: Lewis, Gawn, Vanders, Jetta, Hibberd I took the liberty to change the positions around for the starting 18, left the bench as named. FB: J Wagner Frost Hunt HB: Hore Oscar Petty C: Fritsch Harmes JKH HF: ANB T Mc J Smith FF: Spargo Weid Garlett Foll: Preuss Brayshaw Oliver Int: Salem Petracca Stretch Maynard Sparrow Jordan C Wagner Keilty The backline without May, Hibberd, Jetta and Lewis seems pretty weak, but there's enough in the midfield and forward line to put in a decent contest.

Yeah this is nice, but why is it happening now and not since Dec 2014? And why the senior coach just with one player and not a dedicated kicking coach with every player? Filmed, broken down, reviewed, repeated. I’m a broken record on this topic but anyway, it’s a good sign they’ve recognized a problem, hopefully they get some improvement.

That Kolo injury sounds nasty. Playing in round 1 at any level seems ambitious. Hannan - not good, but I’m of the belief he’s been inconsistent since he’s joined up and played a lot of games bandaged up. It’s preseason so I’ll take the optimistic view that getting him fully healthy will be good for him.

Keen to see him in a game situation because from what I've seen of him at training he's energetic and has clean skills. That's a nice combination.

To be honest I wouldn't care what they wore to home games, turn up in your footy shorts and jumper, team gear or in a suit. That said, probably just easier to wear the team gear isn't it? Away games you step off the bus in uniform ready to win.

Plough's usually got a bit more depth and quality in his analysis. I don't mind him as a pundit. Lever: Yeah he'll be really good to have back to his best. Of course a good player doing well is important. But as good as Lever is we should be able to cover and injury to a 3rd tall intercepting defender and/or him playing below his best. Hore might be good enough to do it. Hibberd can intercept. Jetta has high intercept numbers for his role. Hunt hopefully bounces back. Salem, Lewis, KK playing back or even Fritsch. I don't see Lever's injury as a particularly huge obstacle, he's a good player coming back, every team has them. Inconsistencies: No thanks, not really buying that. How many games was our effort and skill awful really bad in last year - v Hawks in the wet, v Magpies and some terrible moments in the Swans game towards the end of the year. Then of course the prelim. Otherwise almost every week we turned up and had a go. We struggled for most of the season with some defensive frailties and poor forward line conversion against top 8 sides. Every side has it's weaknesses though. We consistently beat up on bad sides and struggled against the top sides until later in the year when we improved a bit, that's consistency! Inexperienced tall players: Not particularly buying this one either. Up forward, yes Weideman is young and hasn't played much but the Dogs won the flag with Zaine Cordy and Tom Boyd, the Tigers didn't have a second tall forward, the Cats had Tom Hawkins come alive one year. Big Chrisso Dawes was 22 when the Pies won the flag. Down back - Sam Frost is 25 and played 69 AFL games, that's not young nor inexperienced. Oscar is about to turn 23 and has played 62 games. Oscar probably hasn't reached peak physical condition just yet but is far form slight. Isn't a common school of thought that 70 games is a good apprenticeship for most players? Tom Barrass had played 32 games heading in to last years season, played his 51st in the grand final and was aged 22. I can think of 3 better concerns: 1. Managing the work loads and potential exits from the side of Lewis and Jones 2. Run and skill from half back - especially if Salem goes in to the midfield and KK and Hunt don't come on we're in trouble 3. Lack of genuine pressure and crumbing small forward - as effective as ANB and Spargo can be they aren't Rioli's.

Smart decision. I'd rest Gawn, Brayshaw, Petracca, Lewis, Salem, Harmes, Hibberd, Vanders and Jetta. Give Fritsch a run. Probably don't risk Tommy Mc or Oliver though. Or Jones, Melksham, Viney and May. That leaves 16 from the team v Pies: Spargo, Stretch, Frost, Preuss, JKH, Weideman, Oscar, Hunt, ANB, Hore, Sparrow, Garlett, T Smith, Wagner, Wagner, J Smith Fritsch makes 17. Would like to see Maynard, Baker, Petty, Keilty and a few of the young guys to fill out the side.

So what is it? Abstinence or not having to be choir boys. You have to pick one or the other. I'd suggest more players have had their performance impacted by mental health - mostly depression and anxiety - in recent years than drugs and that comes from bottling up the stress of their jobs. Give me a player at 95% body capacity and 100% mental capacity any day over a player who treats their body like a temple but is fighting mental challenges. I'd love for players to go out after a game and have somewhere between 0 and 5 vodka lime sodas, dance, make friends and laugh for a while and call it a night for 40 weeks a year and then live like monks for the other 10 in the lead in to finals but that's not going to happen. Firstly for most people it's not realistic to go 25 weeks straight without at least having some nights when you let your hair down, secondly the alcohol might be worse than the drugs for their bodies anyway! That's not a reason to do drugs but zero tolerance and name and shame could see a lot of guys throwing careers away over something that didn't hurt them or anyone else. They almost had no choice but to do something after the Eagles drama. I think that's what a lot of people are forgetting. Cousins - life ruined. Kerr -jailed, Fletcher - had to be resuscitated. Chick - off the rails. They made a big error publicising so much about the 3 strikes, loop holes and more than anything disclosing data about the number of players testing positive and on 2 strikes. They went out and publicised it like it was something to be proud of when it should be all in the background.

Reads like he wrote that at the end of 2017. Tom McDonald got the better defender 9 times out of 10 last year, that's all you need to know. That said, they are pretty similar in a lot of ways: Both excellent runners who get up the ground and back Tom the better kick for goal but Hoges better than he looks Hogan with deft hands at ground level but Tom follows up well Both not ideal ball users kicking inside 50, Tom can shank his field kicks whilst Hoges chips around his body with a bad action Both lacking a bit of agility and pace to cause forward 50 turnovers, Tom a bit more effort but Hoges a bit more agility Tom a pack mark clunker but Hoges a natural at using his body to bullock The main advantage Tom had the last couple of years is better and more confident leading patterns. For whatever reason particularly at the MCG Hogan really struggled to create space and direct his team mates where to kick it.

Are multiple players taking drugs in the offseason and long weekends - absolutely. Are some players taking drugs more regularly than that - maybe every weekend in the preseason and the night after the game in season - sure. But you're struggling to play elite AFL footy if you're launching in to big weekends every week and I reckon we've seen that with some of our players if you know where to look. I reckon you can count in one hand the number of truly elite players who could keep that lifestyle going. The majority of AFL players get in long term relationships early, settle down and live a pretty boring life. They are good citizens who do community work, are super professional about their trade and the last few offseasons has shown are really low level of crime and disorderly behaviour. Certainly compared with their NRL colleagues in Northern states. What good comes from punishing AFL players with really harsh illicit drug policies? Do we all feel a little better about ourselves because our heroes are all clean skins? Do we feel morally superior? The current policy has stopped a repeat Ben Cousins. That was its aim and it has been successful. Club culture can take care of the rest. How hard is it for a coach to get with his leadership group and set standards about behaviour and work out which players are going too hard and sort it out? Trade, delist, play in the 2nds. You'll sort it out in no time.

This year the athletes who quickly became footballers mostly due to their fitness and speed are getting shown up by the footballers who know what they are doing (many of which are cross code athletes but have either played juniors or played games). Newman from the Dees is a great example. She's always been fast but didn't know when to dish off, when to evade and how to run in to space. Plus she kicked like a soccer player. Now she's very much a footballer. The big challenge is the AFL keep shooting it in the foot. More expansion next year means shuffling the teams yet again. If the Dees hadn't lost 2 players to North and 4 or so I think it is to Geelong they'd be even stronger. Same for the other teams. With 4 new teams next year I'm guessing each established side gives up another 5 or 6 players. So goodbye continuity and improvement. Also means 2 extra games and 6 more umps, which based on todays showing will be another challenge.

So what's our style of ball movement and what forward line suits that? Goodwin has said contested 1000 times since he's become coach and I think that's the basis of our style, then we restrict space with defensive pressure when the opposition has the ball then spread in to space with guys either open or getting one on one contests when we have the ball. 'Changing the angles' is a common phrase we heard the last few years that means kicking on angles to leads and then linking up and attacking space. Pretty much a boulder rolling down a hill but deftly bouncing side to side picking the right path. What do we need for that? Forwards who provide the right balance between winning contests, spreading to space, closing space up and using the ball well to keep that bounder rolling. 2 mobile talls in T Mc and Weid provide targets for longer kicks, Spargo and ANB get contest to contest defending or getting over to be the 3rd guy in, the medium sized guys particularly Petracca and Melksham become mismatches because they can win one on ones in the air or on the ground. Hannan is a barometer, when he's on he can be the perfect 7th forward who can do anything as well.

That was disgusting umpiring. And a few too many errors really - L Pearce an easy dropped mark with a couple of minutes to go and too many wide kicks. Disappointing because the pressure and work rate was excellent, backline were solid, some of the lead up play to goals was great. Probably the best game of AFLW ever until 3/4 time and then the heat and poor umpiring wrecked it. Lily Mithen's best ever game. The annoying thing is watching Paxman who is a super player but she takes on too many tackles and dishes out bad handballs under pressure because she's not been trained up her whole career how to be a smooth mover with dual sided skills. Then you've got little T Hanks who's a jet and can bob and weave, handball both sides, run with the ball or dish it backwards and you see the standard that is achievable in the future.

Of course they deserved to win and it was a great effort, doesn’t change my point that if Sheed misses they probably lose. In which case are we even talking about the Eagles and 2 rucks or are we talking about the Pies ruck and forward set up? If the Pies win are we saying Petracca should play full forward like De Goey? And talking about the way Cox palms the ball to his smalls and encouraging Tommy Mc and Weid to do the same?

Agree with you on Jolly. Although he wasn't understudy to Jamar he was understudy to White, a role he was competing with Jamar for back when the 2nd ruck played 10 minutes a quarter off the bench. We couldn't keep both Jolly and Jamar so we traded one for a fair price (even if draft picks had different values back then). There was certainly no doubt Jolly would make a very good ruck. I had doubts on the Russian but he came through. Martin was a different case. He was a tall guy with good athleticism but not really a fixed position. He was pretty soft and there wasn't a lot of evidence he could convincingly hold down the ruck even if Jamar was injured. Neeld and co pretty much swapped him out for Pedersen who was a better forward-ruck player. Brisbane took him on as a forward/ruck type and he was injured for a season and half. It was only because Leuenberger and Trent West were both injured that he even got a chance as first ruck. Here's Leppa pretty much saying they'll pick Martin because they have to but he thinks the young kid Archie Smith has a better future. https://www.lions.com.au/news/2014-05-31/leppa-martin-logical-choice Obviously there were some Stef Martin fans and if you were one of them then congratulations but the mainstream opinion at the time was that he was a tall bloke with some athleticism who was worth a try but that's about it. Hence why Brisbane got him for some late picks. He'd played 50 games because we were rubbish and we could try him back, forward and in the ruck (or all 3 at once). Anyway, back to the topic that matters, Josh Mahoney said a thousand times in trade week that Preuss was here for coaching and to train and learn from Gawn and stressed he wasn't an automatic inclusion in the side. How are people forgetting that?

Fair point, I believe they have to be at some point along the side of the centre square, all of which I'd class as the wing , so yes they can be right next to the corner and very quickly back as a spare. Still, if they do that they'll be manned up with equal number or the team will be conceding a loose wingman. A dominant ruck could then hit the ball to the spare wings side and drastically increase their chances of winning the clearance. Or instruct the midfielders and forwards to kick/lead towards the fat side away from the wing who is sagging back as the spare defender. No matter how you structure it I think the result will be: Clean centre clearances will become more valuable, messy centre clearances will still be of little value.

The thing I find funny: - Let's copy West Coast, they won the Grand Final. Seems to be the trend. Which blatantly ignores that West Coast didn't copy Richmond who won the flag the year before them, they also only won the grand final because Sheed nailed a goal he would probably kick at best 3/10 times and maybe 1 in 20. If the Pies won the flag with Grundy rucking 80% of the game, Cox only pinch hitting in the ruck and mostly being a big forward, Mihocek as an undersized 2nd key forward and De Goey in particular (plus Stephenson) as the most dangerous forwards then what would we be doing? Gawn was worked over in the West Coast prelim after a huge year, he has to be better managed this year. But our real problems were our shaky backline and our lack of classy kicking in to the forward line. They are the errors we should be focusing on in to round 1.

The wings have to be on the wings. The forwards and backs have to be forward or back. So a clean centre clearance can give a midfielder more time to steady up and deliver inside 50 to an even number of forwards and backs. With a designated full forward out of the goal square who - if a team plays man to man - could have a decent amount of space in front of them and therefore a one on one contest in space. The reality is more times than not teams will defend the centre clearance well enough to pressure the kick and there will still be a pack situation inside 50 or on the flank where the ball is bombed to. That said, there's a chance for someone with some class like Brayshaw to get the ball on the run and deliver long (helps if you can do it on both feet) to a forward in space. Or an explosive player like Viney, Petracca or Vanders to burst through the square in to some clear room. 2 rucks may be important because you don't want to allow a team to get a clean break from the middle now you can't stack a spare back. I still think a good athletic key forward is a worthwhile option but using someone like Grigg wouldn't be because you can't be non competitive and let the opposition just feed the hit out straight to their best mids.

FB: Jetta May Hibberd HB: Hunt Oscar Lewis C; Vanders Oliver Fritsch HF: Petracca T Mc ANB FF: Spargo Weid Melksham Foll: Gawn Brayshaw Viney Int: Salem, Harmes, wing/back, forward/wing Of those 20 you can mount a small case against Oscar (for Frost on a speedy tall), Lewis (for Hore), and Weid (if Preuss is preferred) although I think they are all pretty established in the side. Hunt is probably the only one who's a little iffy and I'd back him in. Yet to prove fitness: May, Oliver, Viney, Melksham, McDonald, Jones In contention: Hore, Frost, JKH, Jones, J. Smith, T. Smith, C. Wagner, Stretch, Preuss Smokie: Baker - a small chance he follows the pathway that Hannan and Brayshaw have done in recent years in blitzing a Casey practice game and coming in to the side for round 1. If they play Salem on a wing then Hore is the standout choice to come in to the back 7. If Salem plays half back then the other wing options come in to play - JKH, Stretch or a healthy Jones. KK an option but seems very unlikely he'll be fit. The 7th forward is the discussion for Preuss v J/T Smith v C Wagner v going the extra midfielder and using Fritsch and Vanders forward. If I were betting right now it would be Hore and J Smith for the last 2 spots with Jones declared not ready

A lovely crumb and some nice defensive work but otherwise he butchered the ball. Still think he looked scared of contact so wanted the ball out of his hands.

It might come down to this: If Preuss plays round 1 then the Weid doesn’t. As much as I liked the impact big Preuss gave hitting contests hard as a forward and spelling Maxy I still don’t think a Weid/T Mc/Preuss forward line is defensively sound.

Joel Smith's positives where his work rate to space up the ground and his defensive work. Inside 50 he did nothing.

Seemingly little. Although the small ground and congested play made fast breaks tricky, watch and see with the kick outs. Push in the backs and grabs out of the ruck might be iffy. Hard for umps. 6-6-6 does nothing good or bad. If they want to trial last touch and 16 a side I'd be all for it. They are some real rules.