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I’m confident McAdam will be in the 23 if he’s fit and providing decent forward pressure. As long as he chases and tackles at a similar level to someone like Chandler he has more attacking talent. But we probably have to play Fullarton or J Smith for a fair chunk of the season to keep Gawn, Petty and JVR healthy. If they even stay healthy! It’s a lot to give up and I’m not saying it’s his only role but I reckon McAdam could be a really handy sub at times too. An impact forward who can contribute deep or up the ground is a much better weapon off the bench than most of our choices.

We have 2 future 3rds care of Harmes, no?

Rumours a few years ago, but nothing last year as far as I know. I’d have no issue with prime(ish) Gunston and Fritsch. Gunston could always defend well for his role when he was fit. I don’t like it now he’s older and seemingly uncommitted to a team. And when we’re almost free of the veterans and surely ready to target a long term solution if Petty isn’t the answer.

Probably Vince but at that stage it was absolutely required, I think the AFL engineered that deal to help Adelaide and us. Not Hibberd, was always the right price and a great deal. Absolutely Melk, and a few good games this year has made that deal look better, it was always a lot. Probably Langdon, didn’t like that we added a sweetener to straight second, we were much nicer than we could’ve been. He was well worth it, but needs to get back in form.

Turner upgraded just impacts the numbers of the various lists not how many players we have. It’s likely to be countered by Melk. I don’t rate Kynan Brown, nothing to do with pessimism, just think he’s a rookie level prospect. Neither is shuffling the list by chucking a couple of broken down veterans on the rookie list.

Should’ve been a future 3rd, especially after the nonsense Adelaide and their media cheerleaders pulled with Petty. But hey, we paid overs so let’s hope he performs to the overs too!

6 players gone so far right? Grundy, JJ, Harmes, Dunstan, Hibberd, D. Smith 2 players in. So 4 spots. Only 2 picks we really need to take. Personally I’d be happy to take another rookie over Kynan Brown, in the event Brown doesn’t make it to the rookie list. Melksham already rumoured to drop back. BBB and McDonald could join him too if we need main list spots.

Worth considering if Essendon pay him down to his proper wage (400-500k) and accept his right value (future 3rd at best). But I’d be worried there’s not much pace left and he certainly wouldn’t help our kicking.

Early days and no doubt JT will have some smokies in mind. But I reckon if we want them we might have to pick Caddy or O’Sullivan at what will likely be 8 or they won’t be there. I like Leake with the next pick. Wilson might be the back up plan. It does seem to drop off after that. I really like big Will Green but I’m not sure even the Dees would take another ruck.

Petty = Mihocek JVR < McStay (youth) Fullarton/J Smith < Cox ANB > Ginnivan but only equal to in form Lipinski Fritsch = Elliot (could be better if he defended) Pickett > Hill (but has to back it up) Chandler/Spargo << McCreery McAdam < Schultz Are J. Smith and the fossils as useful depth as Ash Johnson and Frampton - probably not. Does either side have great youth coming through, Jefferson and Reef McInnes both have talent but otherwise not really. They’ve got the advantage for experience and depth of useful talls for now. But with time that can change. In theory Petracca can go forward more easily than De Goey as we have a more explosive midfield mix.

Would like to know where contracts are at for Moniz-Wakefield and Kye Turner. AMW especially I thought had done more than enough for another year.

I reckon some teams will have Caddy in the elite crop, some teams wouldn’t even have him in the second tier. With the likelihood a team in the second tier (8-14) takes him on upside, which could even be us. Either way he’s not really contributing to the ‘super draft’

Petty 100% staying McAdam: think they’ve made a strong offer Fullarton - think he has upside, strong VFL form Oliver- see previous club statements Melksham staying, just a matter of which list. Thinks he can play sooner than expected Best wishes to Harmes and JJ Will try to move up. Pick 1 obviously up to the Eagles. Happy to take 6 and 11. Trading from 14 to 11 was a big difference in this draft. Not asked about BBB or McDonald. Not asked if they have any other targets

Pick 10 in this draft (which probably blows out to 13 by the pick) where we already have 6, 11. Versus a pretty solid likely worse case for end of first round compo in 2 years time. And we have a CHF/CHB whilst in flag contention. And I don’t have to cry watching Tom McDonald, Ben Brown, Schache or god knows who play CHF? What are we doing here.

I reckon the Eagles can squeeze North out of another first round pick, Reid really is that valuable. But I’ve said for a while now I think: 1. North: Reid 3. Dees: Duursma (or McKercher) 6. Eagles: Curtin Makes the most sense for all 3 clubs. The concern will be the Hawks or Dogs getting in the way, the same framework of a deal makes sense for the Hawks moving to 3 and the Eagles taking Curtin at 4.

I was always suspicious on it. Apart from the grass is greener effect that happens every year the so called ‘super’ draft was a lot of mid sized or super skinny talls and light on for bonafide mids. Caddy hasn’t fully come on. Archie Reid not at all. Moir fallen in a heap. Mitch Edwards meh. Will Lorenz unremarkable.

49ers, Eagles, Lions

I think they’ll both stay on the list so there’s no immediate pay outs, but it’s only adding rookies once they go to the inactive list. Maybe we stick with Tom and try that heavy load management tactic, ease him in to the year with a delayed start. We tried heavily managing Brown this year, he rarely trained mid week. Did a lot of sessions on the bike or ropes. Once the games started he lasted about 3 weeks.

I’m pretty sure after 2019 at one of those member forums things Mahoney gave some details. Otherwise I’m not asking for much more than generic statements, I’d just like a rough outline of where they are at. I’ll take cliches over nothing. Well, I am a paid up member. And list strategy is now a key part of future success, what’s so wrong with lifting the curtain a little bit? After the draft we often get more insight from Demonland Podcast interview with Jason Taylor than we ever get from any formal media he does. In the US sports the GMs will do a proper press conference after the end of the year, free agency, draft etc. The AFL media go mad for trade details and Lamb responds about certain deals but what’s ever said about the bigger picture? Even if it’s just generic; ‘we like our kids, the draft was a priority for x reason, we explored key forwards but think our existing group has upside, our cap is in a healthy place’ Teams around the league know who has cash and which players are available. If we were keen on Ben King for instance it’s not going to be a surprise.

If the money was going in the 2023 cap the decision would be public by now, but I get a sense they’ll be on the list in 2024 in order for the money to go in the ‘24 cap. In that sense there’s no rush, we have until March to replace them with rookie train on players. Because it seems like we aren’t getting anyone who’s better than a train on player. But now is the time to let them know we don’t see their futures on the list without drastic changes.

We owe them money, not a list spot. Unless there’s some drastic reason to expect massive health improvements or there’s a special cultural reason to keep meet and 3 veg around we should move on. Its bordering on elder abuse to put them through preseasons just so they can resume the cycle of injuries, surgeries and Casey games.

I never liked the Grundy deal but it was a roll of the dice with little else available and it hasn’t cost much. Otherwise the plan seems to be to focus on 2 quality draft picks and to save cap space. The biggest cost so far is that Oliver has gone from a prized asset to a major concern and Petty has gone from a huge part of the future to someone who’d seemingly rather be in Adelaide sooner rather than later. A couple of pretty big disasters we’ve managed to find ourselves in there. I’d like the club to make some kind of comment on the list strategy once the trade period is done. Are we banking cap or are we just paying the bill for past performance? And I wish it was possible to ask them why they haven’t been more aggressive with list turnover at the back end of the list.

Poor shot creation was a far far bigger problem than accuracy. No one is kicking goals from outside 50 on the boundary apart from somehow Steele Sidebottom. I don’t know why we aren’t chasing key forwards and wings aside from the likelihood the good ones aren’t available. The hope has to be that McAdam can release Fritsch and Pickett to be the marking and speed we need at half forward to create better shots. Time will tell.

No one’s ever said Schache isn’t a good VFL footballer tho! He just lacks the contested ability and athleticism to bring it to AFL level. I’m not expecting much from Fullarton but he’s younger, been in the afl/elite junior system far less than Schache and a better athlete. It makes sense that he has more improvement in him. The last time I saw Fullarton play was the semi final against us last year and I thought for a young ruck/forward he had some promise with more development. Not saying there’s a huge chance he becomes a player but I’m willing to at least see how he goes given it’s been a year (and another preseason with us) since he last played.

Surprised that anyone watched enough Brisbane VFL to have a strong opinion. I like that he kicked some bags. Good athlete. Disposal numbers seem really solid given he didn’t get to ruck much with the Lions so often picking 2 other rucks in their VFL side. I look at the growth in Joel Smith this year as someone with stuff all forward experience but with run and jump in his legs. If Fullarton can provide something similar he can contribute.