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Episode 2 been dropped. How are we feeling now? People still hate it? Agreeing with Kane?

You are wrong and have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

Yeah, fair enough. I guess we’ll find out.

Have I missed something? The doco looks like it’s about the 2019/20 preseason. How is that ‘reminding people we’ve been garbage for 50 years’? It doesn’t seem to indicate they’ve dug up footage from the 80s.

Cornes is paid to stir the pot, not too fussed if he wants to get a headline. But the whingers on here are hilarious. You people want minute by minute updates from the club, in depth injury reports, communication on how players are going. Then the club release a behind the scenes doco and you tell them to shut up. Do you think this was Max Gawn’s idea? Do you think Jack Viney is behind the camera? It will likely just be vision of stuff that was happening anyway and we’re all just being given an insight. 95% of the whingers will still watch it. Don’t take the easy negative path that everyone in this country seems to take. Cheer up, stop whinging and enjoy the ride!

The code is Australian Rules Football. There is a Hall of Fame and there are coaches that have been inducted into it. Clarkson will be inducted. My reply was to a poster suggesting Mahoney should have convinced Clarkson or Simpson over to become a coaching director. Nice try on the condescending ‘young un’ too. Didn’t mind it.

Supporter gets angry because Mahoney doesn’t convince Hall of Fame coach to break contract, retire from coaching to take up lesser role on less money at different club. There’s a lot of ‘old man yells at cloud’ about this.

My SISTER just TEXTED me to say the FACEBOOK PAGES ARE SAYING Petracca and Salem have ASKED TO BE TRADED. Everyone have a think about that chain of information. It’s almost as good as ‘someone told me they heard on radio’. Definition of Chinese whispers anyone...

I always find this stance interesting. Not having a go at you as I’m just generally interested, but what would you like him to say?

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I like that you've bristled up a little here. Some emotion in one of your posts, I'm all for it. Let's see if we can coax out just a little bit of empathy now. 100% of the people you've chosen to lecture in this thread support Goodes. A skewed figure for someone who 'deplores racism'. One thing I'm sure (hope) we agree on is that there was an element of the abuse Goodes received was racially motivated. I think that the majority of it was/is. That is my opinion from the sample size that I have come in contact with. Meanwhile, you're hellbent on trying to make people prove what percentage that was (obviously not possible) in order to protect those the might've been lumped in with the bigots. You've tried to compare whites experiencing racism to minorities and in this case indigenous Australians experiencing racism. I find that completely misses the mark at best. All of the people that have put forward considered arguments in this thread disagree with you. You may not put me in that category, if that's the case, I'm not fussed. But have you considered that? Everyone is wrong and you're right? Even the person that seems to know you personally disagreed with you. Maybe you're just more intelligent than everyone?

Watch the documentary and then come back with your views. I'll semi take your point on being careful with words. Only if for the greater cause. I'm sorry for racially abusing all white people and I accept my own apology.

It's interesting that out of my original post the ONLY thing you tried to argue was that it was racist to white people. Which says a whole lot more about you than it does about me. Your straw man arguments will distract some from the real issues, which is unfortunate. But it's not going to trick anyone with any sense of decency. Make sure you watch the documentary too. Sam Newman will need someone to stick up for him after it's aired publicly...

I apologise you were unable to understand my point without trying to turn it into some white people being victimised. Ps Note I said 'some'

Sorry to ruin your long winded post, but I didn't say all white people. I'm white, I accepted it. I was referring to white people that didn't accept the dance and in turn booed him. Which is racist. Cheers

Being booed for pointing out someone who racially abused him is directly racist. Being booed for doing a cultural dance deemed unacceptable by white people is directly racist. Being booed for 'trying to be Nicky Winmar' (ie standing up to racism) is directly racist. I thought it was solely because he staged for frees and had NOTHING to do with racism? With due respect, you do not understand what racism is. This is clearly highlighted by your posts. You do not currently have a level of education on this issue to be able to contribute to progressing the discussion.

In other words ‘things probably won’t get better so why try?’.

What do you mean who are they? Do you want me to name them? They are the people that boo. So don't celebrate your culture because the uneducated won't like it? What a great message to send. That's almost the basis for this entire discussion isn't it? He has every right to do what he did. The fact is that the bigots don''t like it so it's safer to stay quiet and play football. And to anyone reading this who still don't understand why Cyril and Eddie aren't booed, that is why! They stay quiet. Goodes didn't and he was run out of town. I totally agree we need to bring people together. That's what he was trying to do. But people twisted the narrative so their safe world didn't have to change and they didn't have to confront what is in the mirror.

Next time an indigenous player wants to do a cultural dance during indigenous round, he'll be sure sure to run it by you first. Just to make sure it's acceptable. I would like to personally apologise that you were offended and called a racist. I'm very sorry you had to go through that and it wasn't the aim of people who were trying to support a suffering human being, to put you through such trauma. If you solely did it when he committed an act on a football field that was in poor taste, then you are not a racist. If you continued to do it every time he went near the ball after he clearly stated he was struggling with the treatment and felt it had racial undertones, you are at the very least of questionable character. But now that hopefully you're done making this entire thing about you and your right to boo. How about you think about someone besides yourself and what they have been subjected to and the 'offence' they have taken? Maybe then you might just be able to find the slightest hint of empathy to someone that isn't yourself.

I was referring to the girl calling him an ape. Changing the narrative to him ‘bullying her’ was largely based on people making up facts. I’ve seen hundreds of people posting ‘it has nothing to do with racism’ and then listing reasons why it is specifically related to racism. They just don’t understand why. Those people are racist. They don’t know they are, they won’t take the time to understand why they are, but they are. Are there some people who ‘hate’ Goodes and booed him that aren’t racist? Probably. But in my humble opinion, their morals aren’t something to be proud of and they are a part of the problem, whether they like it or not. Id prefer to be a part of the solution. Mass booing an individual isn’t.

Well, adults being terrified of an imaginary spear is sort of funny if not just plain embarrassing. But in the interest of discussion, I'll humour your attempt at defending people's right to mass bully a human being. The power of symbols and gestures hey? Fair enough. When Goodes tried to explain how symbolic it was to be called an ape, what did the white folk do? I guess in the politically charged atmosphere, the indigenous man should just do what the white folk say. How about, in this emotionally charged topic where everyone is too wrapped up in trying to defend their right to abuse people, we just LISTEN to what indigenous people are saying. Just listen to why they are hurt and stop thinking about ourselves. It might only take 5 minutes and an open mind. But even that seems too much to ask.

The why don't other indigenous players get booed question has been answered over and over again. It's equal with the stupidity of the 'Gaff got booed, is that racist?' type of argument. It's a ridiculous stance and if you can't be bothered getting up to speed with the discussion (after 4 years) then best stay out of it.

Let's also try and have some sympathy for all of the imaginary people that were killed and wounded by said imaginary spear. Thousands of football followers put through the torture of being subjected to an imaginary spear being hurled in their direction. The imaginary hospitals, imaginary doctors and nurses that had to deal with these imaginary injuries, it must have been horrific for them. I think that is where the real sympathy needs to be directed. The big tough people who call Adam Goodes are sook....having a whinge about an imaginary spear. Imagine that.

Some people do want him traded, or there wouldn't be a thread this size about it. That's their prerogative. But I hope they aren't the same people that get upset with Clark, Howe, $cully etc. We should be doing everything we can to extend his contract as he's a very important player. I said he ''can'' kick 50 in a season. Given he averaged 2.4 in 20 games I reckon that's a fair statement to make.

Are the people wanting Hogan to be traded the same people who demand loyalty from players? Good players don't grow on trees. Especially key position players who can kick 50 goals in a season and play midfield. Ridiculous thread.