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depends when the satellite pic ws taken. When I looked at the SCG all the boundaries and goal posts were there. Google earth allows you to look at old pics too.

If you want to do even more research to check, you can measure the grounds yourself in google earth (and maybe google maps as well). I did it once for the SCG and was surprised to see that there was now a genuine 50 metre arc unlike the old "50m" one.

Probably just like the Chinese swimming team is reported in China. But I wonder if they pretend to have the moral high ground when others cheat like we do.

Disagree, and the EFC seems hell-bent on ensuring it never does. It is clearly meant to be about football, just not the on-field performance (unless artifically boosted). Since it is in effect about administration, it can stray into politics in a broad sense. But that doesn't justify some of the recent postings (which at least one poster has had the good sense to graciously remove).

How about never having to go back to the footy because you never left it in the first place. Enough of these inane political rants please.

I wonder how many of the 34, having got on with their lives, actually wish the "Justice" group would just shut up and go away.

Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water ... Essendon saga could see government inquiry as Greg Hunt is presented new information

I wonder how true that is. I could imagine some players would see a GWS flag as a bit unreal, not connected to any footy history compared with being part of a flag by an old establshed team, while others may see being in early GWS flags as big thing to be in at the beginning of new history. I reckon most would much prefer a flag with an old club, but I can see that desire being beaten by the desire for a flag, any flag and GWS giving the best probability.

I can't see how it could be interpreted any other way. Reading Demonland is playing with my mind.

I wouldn't bet on that.

BB, we can't say Hird is playing the victim card himself. He appears to have a genuine problem which everyone should be sympathetic to, even if you feel others with a similar problem may be more deserving of sympathy. But it is irking when the EFC fan club uses his current situation to play the victim card over the entire saga.

I can't see why this thread should be closed, though the temporary halt may have been reasonable given the circumstances. There are issues around the saga which don't involve Hird directly which are perfectly reasonable for discussion eg. where is Jobe's medal. And if they do involve Hird directly, then we should be able to rely on posters to make appropriate comments. Those that don't should be dealt with in the usual way, rather than surpressing an entire topic.

No - we'll need to have an outlet to express our rage when the club is treated as returning heroes next year. And I suspect the fat lady will be singing for many more years.

If anyone was in any doubt about his being a drug cheat, his not returning the physical medal because he 'doesn't know where it is' should set your mind at rest and remove any doubts about his propensity to cheat. If the AFL does not demand it back (and preferably melt it down so it does not become an expensive collectors item) it will be yet more evidence that the AFL has no integrity.

By not showing up Dank can continue to give his little talks with added zest. Now he can point out how his case was unfairly dismissed just because the doctor who looked after his dying great-great-grandmother was run over by a WADA van before he could write him an excuse note for not showing up last week. Or some such.

At least the Guardian is more rational. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/16/resigned-acceptance-over-brownlow-medal-masks-afls-policy-failings

true, but perhaps not much different than the effect of the player having the most votes being suspended near the end of the year.

If that is what (and all) he said, then I withdraw my earlier remark - to some extent at least. Trouble is there is no contrition shown by the AFL, EFC or by many media hacks. They'd never get parole.

if you want a strong indication that Watson is in no way contrite, you just have to read that.

I'm surprised that several posters say this has let Gill off the hook. As usual we don't know the full story. It is possible Gil/AFL did make the decision that he couldn't keep it (albeit too late), told Jobe who then realised that he'd look a whole lot better if he appeared to take the initiative and hand it back. The whole thing was doubtless stage-managed one way or the other.

Perhaps if Jobe had a Russian or Chinese name the AFL may have done the right thing.

If the AFL decides to remove the medal, they will advise Jobe in advance, so he is very likely to then beat them to it and 'voluntarily' hand it back.

I reckon your case is comatose rather than resting

So at least some of the players were not imply 'naive' and 'too trusting'. good. As I understand it, they are asked to list any supplements they have taken, not just did you or didn't you. If you list some but omit others for which there is evidence, I think it is very reasonable to assume there is something fishy going on with the omitted ones - to say the least.

That's one thing we agree on at least. But let me push you a little. Do you not at least think that the older more experienced players ("leaders") are more at fault than the junior ones.