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would second that, revered by many at Chirnside Park!

Matt Balmer's has lobbed, has us taking the jazz ensemble Carroll, Cook and Bowey! Full AFL phantom draft: Every pick by every club predicted by our draft expert

where can we get hold of those East Freo colts games?

He's won South Metro junior league B+Fs, multiple club junior B+Fs and been in SMJFL rep sides all the way with Bowey, Perkins and co. He's been very much a highly-rated junior footballer at local level for years. Just because he didn't play in the Team Brown v Dal Santo match doesn't mean he can't play or hasn't played much football.

No chance of that happening, Dazzle, Sydney are committed and have pointsed themselves to match bids for both Gulden and Campbell and Brisbane have told clubs they match bids in the teens for Coleman.

yep, certainly Holmes played similar role for Dragons as Bedendo and they both similar sizes and they both wear 64 as well from memory. I think Bedendo a better contested mark but I think Holmes probably better ground level player and decision maker and probably a bit more versatile. It's a cruel year for a lot of these kids - shrinking list sizes, a bastardised rookie list and no top age year is going to cost probably 20 kids, though of course many will get another chance next year.

Holmes has been playing footy for years, played and starred in junior footy all the way through from Auskick and then school footy, just only played against Tassie under 18s as a forward as his only match in the draft 'system'. His story/path is nothing like Blicavs and it's distorting the truth to suggest otherwise.

Holmes has been playing firsts for Melbourne Grammar since 2018, assuming your daughter schooled with him in primary school due to that institution's gender requirements, and has played good APS footy. Been judged BOG in a game at each year level and as a year 10 at first XVIII level, which is a good effort He played rarely for the Dragons but when he did they used him as a half-forward, marking flanker hybrid type. He has a good footy brain and clean hands on the lead and at ground level, a good runner and a good leap with nice timing. Kicking is probably a query but he isn't just an athlete, he has some football ability, just is underexposed to non-APS watchers, which to be honest I am now. But he showed promise in his brief TAC Cup forays as a forward, but you can see the versatility he could bring to the table and has probably played other positions for Melbourne Grammar. All the same, I'm surprised by the link, but with imagination you can certainly see him having had a very good TAC Cup year this year had he had the chance and probably a nice piece of clay for an AFL team to work with.

Well, that's right but if you were targeting a specific player and you can make that trade on the night to get that player when you know he is there at that pick, that is sensible. What wouldn't be sensible is trading up to a spot a few weeks from the draft, the players you want not being there and then you are in no man's land picking players you are not that bullish about at picks you have obtained from giving away valuable future draft material. I'm not saying that is what is happening, I think the club probably has an array of targets that they are happy with at that stage of the draft and maybe has some has trade up targets in mind as well if the opportunity arises. But I think theoretically and mathematically, a long-range trade up with one player in mind, unless its very early in the draft where the player order is more polarised isn't particularly smart, given the fluidity of the draft.

Would be the height of stupidity for the club to trade to those spots ahead of time without having a variety of options, contingencies and palatable fallback options.

Chaser, it's amusing that you contacted Dean Duursma, because there have been a lot of public comparisons between Ryan Angwin and Dean's son of Port Adelaide fame. Angwin's one of a number of last year's bottom agers that with the benefit of some imagination of what his top age year development would have been like, you can see a promising player - a name to watch on draft night!

A lot of the mail the journos will be getting will be via player agents. Getting info along the lines of "this club home visited and interviewed my player yesterday or did a medical or visited the facility" - stuff like that. Obviously the clubs are interviewing multiple players and the clubs will have contingencies as well, so they could all possibly be right to some degree. Many of the clubs will have an idea who they will get at various spots, but for most picks its impossible for them to be certain. Some journos are guessing and will be wide of the mark as well and some may have really good inside contacts as well within clubs. Back in the day, Matt Burgan was very good with Melbourne mail as an example.

1) its actually the part of the NGA that makes the most sense, clubs giving some indigenous or ethnically backgrounded players they have ties to a chance that wouldn't ordinarily get it. 2) yes, could be costly in the sense that they have may have moved in front of us and in turn will take a player that we want with that pick ahead of ours, like an Angwin, if we are indeed keen on him as the Age have suggested. 3) I'd be surprised if we aren't progressive with pick 28, either using it to take a player we think can be a good player and to start developing this year or as some sort of trade up. The only advantage I can see to trade it backwards would be as some way of getting involved in trades this year or next with Collingwood (Daicos) or Port Adelaide (Burgoyne), who have very good father-son prospects and may need points or be willing to trade out of good draft picks because those picks are redundant. There is also the scenario whereby we trade 18 and 19 to move up the board using those picks. In that scenario, keeping 28 makes sense as the second pick. But I just can't see us not using it. It's a nice pick in this draft and especially in some phantoms that are coming through, with Stone and Pedlar rising, the possibility of maybe getting a heavily-phantomed mix of Cook, Carroll, Bowey as a draft trifecta or something similar would be a desirable result under that circumstance.

NGA's can be Cat B rookies as well if they pass through the draft. Could be costly that Geelong trade if you are/The Age is right. If we don't have players we like left at 28, maybe we parachute out of that spot but Id be surprised. I think it's more usable from a trade sense maybe coupled with 18 or 19 to move up to get a Macrae or another desired player not likely to last to 18. Again the problem with that is with compressed lists and quite a few teams having multiple first rounders, why would they want to trade down?

If Deakyn Smith were to come to the club it would be as a category b rookie only, but I think that's very unlikely. He will probably be third year NAB League candidate and or Casey top up player with a view to auditioning for 2021. Angwin fits the needs criteria the club is looking for and I would be absolutely amazed if he wasn't a player the club was looking at strongly, though mostly likely with one of its lower picks. The interesting thing about trading 28 for a future pick is the paltry return Gold Coast just got for pick 27. Can't see us doing that unless we got a 2nd rounder from a projected bottom eight side at the absolute minimum and there's the issue of which club has list spots that caters for an extra choice.

That trade just should not be ticked off by the AFL!

Good stuff! Brisbane will match any bid for Coleman in the teens, no chance they don't get him.

To be honest I was underwhelmed by the few Bushies game tapes I watched with him involved last year. They seemed to use him off half-back a lot, and I don't think it really suited him and when around the ball, he often took bad angles and the play went past him. His tackle pursuit was great and he has good size/power combination but I worry about him as an outside player not being skilled enough for what we need and him being a bit of a project player as an inside mid. His elimination final game v the Singrays was particularly worrisome, with some bad moments. That said he could have become a physical bull now and had a very good combine going by the numbers. Guys like Macrae and Carroll run better patterns and use it better.

No I don't support this, I have only four players on that list as chances of being a Dee and Baldwin I have as no chance, Many AFL clubs don't have him on their draft board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWOdmcD8K-U The above is the link to the game that put Mitchell on the map. He kicks the first goal and then has an excellent third quarter from the 1hr51min mark. It’s been a golden age for draft enthusiasts over the last 18months with the NAB League App and youtube channel having most matches available for review.

He's an absolute certainty to get drafted. He is what clubs are looking for, guys that break the game open, with natural speed and athleticism. There have been comps on him to Zac Williams and those kind of comparisons can be nauseating because the comparisons are matching extremely raw players with the finished product, but with Mitchell's straight line speed you can see why clubs might see him being dangerous off half-back.

For the first time since 2004, where I predicted Melbourne taking Matthew Bate and Jordan Russell, I've decided to post a return of the Goodoil Phantom Draft. Here is the first round, with the rest to follow next week. It includes bids and trades to add a bit of silliness to it. 1. Adelaide Crows - Riley Thilthope - 18, 201cm 102kg - West Adelaide The Crows are in an interesting spot. Thilthorpe, the local product, makes a lot of sense, but taking him at one doesn't necessarily juice the most value from the pick. Trading down is a possibility but if they do that they will want to position themselves to get extra draft material and still get Thilthorpe, which would probably require another trade back up with a third party and it could start getting messy. Trading one pick back with North, who could then facilitate another trade for themselves is a possibility, but in the end just straight up taking Thilthorpe, who is a promising South Australian ruck/forward ends up the pragmatic thing to do. He has Matthew Kreuzer-like ruck potential but also good forward craft in a strong athletic frame that could cause AFL defenders problems for a long time. Number one draft picks get financial perks and it would be a strange decision if the Crows bid on Ugle-Hagan and denied their own player those benefits just to hinder the Western Bulldogs by 300 draft pick points. NGA Academy Bid - North Melbourne bids for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan - matched by the Western Bulldogs. 2. Western Bulldogs - Jamarra Ugle-Hagan - 18, 196cm 85kg - Oakleigh Chargers The Kangaroos bid on the best talent in the draft and the Dogs have no choice but to use the flawed points system that benefits them greatly to take Ugle-Hagan, a highly skilled and mobile key forward from the Warrnambool area. He will likely slot straight in as the third tall forward for the Dogs and wouldn't shock if he is in the 25-40 goal range in his first year at Whitten Oval - a very exciting player! Trade - The Kangaroos trade Pick 3 and their future second round pick to Gold Coast for their first and second round picks in this 2020 draft and their 2021 first rounder. 3. Gold Coast - Logan McDonald - 18, 196cm 85kg - Perth North hold highly valuable draft stock here but I think they trade out of it with a host of teams willing to pay a premium for access to McDonald. Here the Roos drop effectively three spots to get Gold Coast's first rounder, they also get the Suns' redundant second rounder this year and a very nice looking 2021 pick swap (based on current ladder positioning). The Suns with all the AFL help they've been given are happy to sacrifice draft capital at a loss to get blue chip talent onto their list and McDonald fits that line of thinking His performances at WAFL senior level have been ground-breaking and he meshes prototypical key forward physical attributes with genuine footballing ability, along the lines of Tom Boyd, who had one of the strangest AFL careers ever, but was talented enough to be paid $1 million per year at a point and went close to winning a Norm Smith Medal. A McDonald-Ben King combination is a salivating prospect for Suns fans, if any exist. 4. Sydney Swans - Denver Grainger-Barrass - 18, 195cm 78kg - Swan Districts It wouldn't shock me if the Swans are in the Logan McDonald trade up sweepstakes, but Grainger-Barrass is a nice mix of need and best available and would be a good pick for the Swans if they stay pat at this draft spot. A rangy centre half back with strong intercept skills, he should slot straight in to Sydney's back 6 and be a long-term fixture there, projecting to be one of league's best defenders in time. NGA Academy Bid - Hawthorn bids for Braeden Campbell - matched by Sydney Swans 5. Sydney Swans - Braeden Campbell - 18, 180cm 73kg - Pennant Hills Hawthorn annoys the Swans and forces Sydney to take him at pick 5. It's a no-brainer for the Swans. They get a two-sided midfielder/half-forward that will step straight into their best 22 and were it not for Matthew Rowell being eligible, likely be a debut year Rising Star contender. 6. Hawthorn - Archie Perkins - 18, 186cm 77kg - Sandringham Dragons Will Phillips and Elijah Hollands are still on the board, but the jungle drums beat loudly that Perkins is Hawthorn's man. From a needs basis, Perkins makes more sense than Phillips and the similar Hollands has an ACL tear in his medical history, so those factors may be in Hawthorn's reckoning, but Perkins brings X-factor, pace and run to a team in desperate need of some reinvigoration. It would be an interesting pick and if it unfolds this way, comparisoning between Perkins and Hollands will be a thing the Hawks have to deal with. All in all, though, you can see why Hawthorn would go in this direction. Trade - The Kangaroos trade the current pick and Pick 30, along with 2021 third and fourth rounders to Collingwood for original picks 14 and 16 and their 2021 first rounder. 7. Collingwood - Elijah Hollands - 18, 190cm 84kg - Murray Bushrangers Collingwood's unusual offseason gets stranger as it executes a trade to get it one of the consensus top five players in the draft, the highly skilled Hollands. They give up their two late first rounders which are vulnerable to Reef McInnes bids and their redundant future first which they want to discard before a bid comes for 2021 father-son prospect Nick Daicos. In addition, they get points in both years to service bids with. North sacrifice access again to a top talent but they still have a very strong 2020 draft hand and now have three first rounders to play with in 2021. The Pies hope Hollands' flair and skill will help Pies fans forget the losses of Jaidyn Stephenson and Adam Treloar. He is a very talented player, especially around goals, but the ACL history is worrisome, especially considering what the Pies are giving up to get him. 8. Essendon - Will Phillips - 18, 181cm 79kg - Oakleigh Chargers The Bombers mop up the slider from the accessible consensus top 5 in Will Phillips, the hard running inside midfielder from the Oakleigh Chargers. It's a great result/pick for the Bombers, he helps in the area they are weakest and he has leadership intangibles that will be of benefit - a likely round one contributor for the Dons as a two-way,, inside-out midfielder. 9. Essendon - Nik Cox - 18, 199cm 82kg - Northern Knights At 9, Essendon goes with a less steady pick and takes the incredibly athletic 199cm Cox from the Northern Knights. It's hard to project what position Cox is best suited to play but as a mound of clay, he is an exciting project for new coach Ben Rutten to work with. The Bombers would have loved to be able to get hold of McDonald via but their picks were in a trade no man's land sufficient to entice Adelaide or North. In time they hope Cox can have an impact up forward with his endurance and unusual elasticity for someone of his size. Trade - Essendon trades the current pick to GWS for what were originally GWS's picks 15 and 20. 10. GWS - Zach Reid - 18, 202cm 82kg - Gippsland Power Essendon trades its third first rounder to get a couple more players in the door slightly down the order. GWS jumps up to get a future cornerstone defender in Reid, who has nice kicking skills to match his wiry 200cm frame. He will take time to fill out but with Phil Davis now at age 30 and with Sam Taylor struggling to get on the park in recent times, it seems sensible to invest in the position group. With GWS strong draft hand in terms of volume of picks, they can afford to take what might be a bit of a risky trade jump on a player whose physical one-on-one strength development will be a pivotal factor going forward. NGA Academy Bid - Port Adelaide matches Adelaides bid for Lachlan Jones 11. Port Adelaide - Lachlan Jones - 18, 184cm 87kg - Woodville/West Torrens No surprise that Port matches the bid that comes for Jones from its cross-town rival, a well-rounded half back who could play straight away for the Power and a steal for what they will give up for him under the broken points system. 11. Adelaide - Tom Powell - 18, 180cm 70kg - Sturt The Crows go down the local path again and select the son of Matthew Powell, the nuggety midfielder/half back who played 16 games for Adelaide in the 90s. His son is a different type of player, a smallish accumulating midfielder with neat skills who has dominated the SANFL junior scene in the last 12 months. He may take some time but once he fills out, which he should given his dad's muscular physique, Powell should be a nice cog in the Crows midfield going forward. Adelaide will be hoping he can have a Caleb Serong-like impact in time. 12. GWS - Heath Chapman - 18, 193cm 81kg - West Perth The Giants again go to the defensive well and select West Australian Chapman. Though they play in the same third of the ground, Chapman brings a different role to the table than does the earlier-picked Reid. He is a mobile intercept marking type who likes to take the game on, carry the football and deliver by foot. Some would think it's excessive for the Giants to in effect use three first rounders on defence but down the line a defence of Reid, Chapman, Taylor and Nick Haynes could not only be impassable but also outstanding on the intercept and in delivery. 13. North Melbourne - Finlay Macrae - 18, 186cm 72kg - Oakleigh Chargers The Kangaroos finally make a pick after executing a few trades that will no doubt get tongues wagging on draft night. They take Macrae the smaller younger brother of the Bulldogs midfield star. Similar in a lot of ways to his brother, this looks a nice pick for the Roos as they start to replenish their list with the surfeit of picks at their disposal over the next two years. Fin Macrae could be one to really blossom and play at a level above his draft status, as even though his brother was a high draft pick, he was an enormous improver once he entered the AFL system. 14. Fremantle - Oliver Henry - 18, 187cm 77kg - Geelong Falcons The way Freo's list is set up, I think this has to be the pick as the Dockers have a dearth of forward 50 marking options. Henry is a mobile third type of forward who should be a nice fit alongside Matt Taberner and Rory Lobb. I think ideally the Dockers would like to go with the local midfield product Jack Carroll at this point but the marriage of need and best available makes the Henry pick a sound one all the same. 15. GWS - Sam Berry - 18, 181cm 81kg - Gippsland Power After hopefully shoring up their defense for the next decade with their first two selections, the Giants go to work on their midfield and take the tough tackling, inside operative Sam Berry. With Callan Ward nearing the end and his likely successor Jye Caldwell now gone, he will help bring a hard edge to the Giants' core that has probably been lacking in recent times and in effect takes Caldwell's spot on the list as his direct replacement. NGA Academy Bid - North Melbourne bid for Reef McInnes which is matched by Collingwood. 16. Collingwood - Reef McInnes - 17, 193cm 86kg - Oakleigh Chargers North cheekily use Collingwood's original pick and bid for McInnes. Collingwood match and get an intriguing midfield prospect with excellent size, speed and versatility potential. With Hollands and McInnes the Pies have done well to replace some of the spark lost during its controversial trade week. Trade - North trade the current pick for Geelong's 2021 first rounder and the second rounder they have that is tied to Essendon. 17. Geelong - Tanner Bruhn - 18, 182cm 75kg - Geelong Falcons After bringing Collingwood to account, North then add an unholy fourth 2021 first rounder and a valuable second rounder to its books and executes a trade with the Cats. Geelong get a local product they rate a lot higher than this spot in the draft and the Kangaroos are playing the long game under new coach David Noble. Bruhn has been on the nose in recent times, maybe clubs think he is more of an outside player than is desirable, maybe it's because he is so underexposed, I'm not sure. All the same, with this ball skills and poise, he seems a nice pick here for the trade backwards then forwards Cats. 18. Essendon - Nathan O'Driscoll - 18, 187cm 76kg - Perth Here the Dons go with the West Australian midfielder and in adding him and Phillips they've added a physical edge to their midfield. O'Driscoll is a big-bodied mid or half-back who is a fierce tackler and a decent left footer. When you think about how interested Essendon was in trying to get Josh Dunkley, O'Driscoll is the kind of player that can shore up the kind of weaknesses that the Dons were looking to solidify with that failed trade attempt. 19. North Melbourne - Brayden Cook - 18, 188cm 74kg - South Adelaide The Kangaroos, with all eyes on them and a probable draft documentary deal brewing, elect to make their second selection of the draft and not add to their 2021 pick haul by adding South Adelaide talent Brayden Cook. Cook has torn the SANFL under 18s apart this year and with his dash, high marking and goalkicking acumen, will be an exciting addition for the Roos. With Tarryn Thomas, Jye Simpkin, Luke Davies-Uniacke and now Macrae and Cook, things probably aren't as bad for North as they appear, especially with what they can now do in the 2021 offseason. 20. Richmond - Bailey Laurie - 18, 180cm 75kg - Oakleigh Chargers Having lost Jack Higgins, the Tigers find what could be a direct replacement in Bailey Laurie, the diminutive midfielder/forward with game-breaking ability and punishing footskills. He might find access to the best 22 difficult early on, but long-term he seems the perfect type of player for the Tigers's forward half systems, with midfield versatility down the line an added bonus. 21. Melbourne - Jack Carroll - 17, 188cm 79kg - East Fremantle The Demons add the talented West Australian midfielder from the same WAFL club as Trent Rivers and Luke Jackson. A left-footer who can cover the ground quickly and with plenty of upside, the Dees will be pleased to add some running power to its midfield on the outside, whilst he further develops his promising inside game. NGA Academy Bid - Melbourne bid for Blake Coleman which is matched by Brisbane. 22. Brisbane Lions - Blake Coleman - 18, 181cm 78kg - Morningside Brisbane hold on to the exciting and quick half-forward Coleman, the brother of Kaidean Coleman, who gives them another speedy operator inside 50 to combine with Charlie Cameron. Melbourne would have loved to add him to Kysaiah Pickett as a crumbing forward combination. 23. Melbourne - Jake Bowey - 18, 175cm 66kg - Sandringham Dragons With their second first rounder the Dees take the small but very evasive and neat kicking small Jake Bowey. The son of ex-St Kilda rover Brett Bowey, Bowey will bring an element of dash to Melbourne and with his kicking efficiency maybe add that dimenson that will help balance Simon Goodwin's ball-winning brigade, whilst also helping the Demons' inconsistent small forward play if deployed in attack. Trade - Essendon trades the current pick to Hawthorn for Hawthorn's second rounder and 2021 third rounder 24. Hawthorn - Max Heath - 18, 204cm 88kg- Sandringham Dragons The Hawks trade up a few spots to avoid coughing up a pick unnecessarily to a Connor Downie bid and take a swing for the fences with Heath, a developing ruckman who could be their long-term solution to the ruck position. A giant man with a physical approach, Heath is very much a raw ball of clay but in time could be worth the investment. With Downie to come, the Hawks take the view that this in effect a free hit and take a risk that could pay off in spades. 25. St Kilda - Cameron Fleeton - 18, 192cm 81kg - Geelong Falcons With their first pick, the Saints add developing Geelong Falcon key defender Cam Fleeton. A more long-range project type player, Fleeton can take a mark and has shutdown defender potential as well. Raw in some areas, the Saints hope he develop into a quality key back and will give him time, something they can afford to do as they've once again bolstered their list with proven commodities, Brad Crouch and Jack Higgins.

i was referring to Ford in the second part. I would be 10,000th id imagine.

i think this is pretty wide of the mark. When I was involved in western suburbs football, Ward wasn't even the highest rate Jet internally in his own year and there is no chance current Jets people internally rate him as the best player they've had come through there, unless that individual has lost their mind!

He's fairly highly rated and I think most have him in top 30 calculations. If the narrative is correct that we moved up to target some under-exposed Vic talent then Mitchell fills that narrative as he was just scratching the surface last year and projected to have a breakout NAB league season. He fits with what we need and with a lot of players of that ilk - Coleman and Newchurch examples - tied up to NGA teams, he makes a lot of sense as a pick - super quick and with a lot of upside/development potential!