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6. Jack Viney - by so far the best on the ground. An incredible performance off 66% game time. 5. Max Gawn - Shaded McEvoy. If he doesn't play, we don't win. Tapwork second half instrumental. 4. Clayton Oliver - 7 clearances, 8 tackles - grinded away again. 3. Tom McDonald - four goals and was the safety valve and steadier all night. 2. James Harmes - battled hard against Mitchell, didn't let him cut us up. 1. Michael Hibberd - very good in the first half.

Viney has been by so far the best player on the ground it isn't funny. Only played 65% game time as well. Incredible.

Technically yes, but if all those are given in finals, it will get farcical.

I agree was basically a basketball charging foul situation. I don't think it should have been a free in AFL football, but it would have been very hard for Oliver to stay upright.

I think that would be fair based on what his performances were as a pressure forward, but since moving to defence he has become a more interesting prospect and definitely not as automatic a delist option as he once was.

He’s now playing as a back pocket and has been going ok. Hes hard at it and kicks well off both sides. The query is is he nimble enough to control good AFL small forwards and nimble enough to break away from traffic to distribute the ball.

His pressure and effort is great there is no doubt about that. I don't think his detractors will have ever said a bad word about that. The knock on him is that he has killed momentum in games by butchering basically guaranteed goal opportunities. Viney laid 9 tackles in the first half, including some holding the balls, so I'd argue he set the tackling tone, but ANB was obviously good in this regard. The way I saw the game - Harmes, Weideman, Viney, Brayshaw, T.McDonald, Salem, Oliver, Gawn, Lewis, Jetta, Frost Vandenberg were better players and I really thought Oscar McDonald was terrific as well. Thought Neal-Bullen's was a 7/10 game.

Not sure what my football ability has got to do with it but Jay Lockhart might be the one challenging him next year. My point is that Geelong sent their worst their player to him, which is relevant to analyzing his performance, as is the fact we basically dominated the game. But credit to him, zero ball use clangers the last two weeks after 50 previously. It's made him a good player the last two weeks.

He's played well the last few weeks for sure. He is playing far more to his limitations and all of a sudden he isn't panicking as much. My comment was on the backen d of 16 ball use clangers in three weeks, which is almost unheard of in AFL football and he was clearly awful in those games. Against Sydney he had six from 14 possessions - ghoulish. Don't forget he is playing in a very good side and on the weekend he was playing on arguably Geelong's least heralded player, Mark O'Connor so his role was pretty easy let's be fair. Just run to the fall of the ball and clog the ball in and if not, chase and tackle. Terlich (didn''t play every game) and Matt Jones (Jones in particular) carried a big load in their first seasons. Matt Jones as an example had 31 ball use clangers from more disposals in that year compared to ANB's 50 this year. ANB as far as I'm aware leads the league in ball use clangers per disposal and even though he was good on Friday night, it was in a dominant team performance and even still he wouldn't been in the top 12 players of consequence for the Demons on the night IMO. I would probably rate him our 15th best player on the night.

North have another promising ruck, Xerri, on their list and if you actually go club by club there aren't a lot of teams that actually need a first ruckman - and even less if you consider that maybe Preuss wants to live in Melbourne. It may be that we're willing to pay him overs contractually to come and be the insurance policy for Gawn, given it is an obvious hole in the list.

I wouldn't want him. Isn't a bad player, but isn't the 'elite' ball user he was projected to be and tends to just coast through the games, not having a huge impact but not doing all that much wrong by the same token.

The Crows will surely try and package picks and McGovern for Pick 1. It's an interesting position for Carlton. With Curnow and McKay they don't really have a need for another young key forward. So their decision is to either bypass the best player and go for need (midfielder Walsh) at 1. Take Lukosius as best player available. Or to get multiple picks (8, 15, 19 an example) and have a quantity not quality approach at the draft. They probably have to take Walsh, which then leaves Gold Coast at pick 2 and Pick 3 who the Crows on draft night could try and sway. The Suns desperately need a key forward but the go-home factor concern will be enormous. It's quite interesting. Wouldn't shock me if the Suns take the King brothers at 2 and 3 with Lukosius bizarrely sliding based on non-ability reasonings. But you'd hope they would back their culture in and take him.

I agree with the first bit, particularly in relation to Harmes. I think he was probably rated a bit as a versatile flanker but I don't think they could have foreshadowed him being the powerful inside outside mid with decent finishing ability that he has seemingly become.

Surely King gets delisted.

It wouldn't shock me if he was dropped, he was completely ineffective, but it does leave Pedersen as first ruck and takes him away from a key position berth so perhaps he is injured and played injured last week, explaining his performance. Preuss could only really be the back up ruckman. The one thing with our list is if two of Weideman, McDonald or Hogan were unavailable you could run with Gawn and Preuss in the same side no problems. He is not a skilled forward but he will compete.

there is absolutely no way Mitch King will be kept on the list after last week's performance.

Carlton will get McGovern - they have been trying to get him for the last two years and he's now keen to go there.

EIshold was never a regular to the same extent but was a better play and Dunn as a defender (the role he played when he was a regular) is a much much better player. Byrne and Seddon pre-date the time period in question but Byrne was top 10 in a Brownlow and Seddon never played more than 16 games in a year.

He just needed to take possession of Frost kick against Geelong as well! Enough is enough!

Ive watched every game for 30 years and he is the worst MFC player to play every game in a season i can recall

I agree100%. Should say that credit is due for his work ethic and love of the jumper! But that is not enough. he is the worst player ive seen play for Melbourne to play the percentage volume of games he does and today he reprised his north melbourne role of last year - by destroying countless gilt edged scoring opportunities. Only plays decently when we are absolutely dominant and most of it ia fluke IMO

B: Alan Johnson, Sean Wight, Paul Prymke HB: Brett Lovett, David Neitz, Gary Hardeman C: Stan Alves, Greg Wells, Robbie Flower HF: Garry Lyon, David Schwarz, Adem Yze F: Jeffrey Farmer, Allen Jakovich, Gerard Healy FOLL: Jim Stynes, Todd, Viney, Jack Viney I/C: Jeff White, Stephen Tingay, Glenn Lovett, Steven Febey EM: Andrew Obst, Nathan Jones, Shane Woewodin.

Any team with Jim Stynes and Garry Lyon on the bench is unfortunately well wide of the mark. Peter Moore and Strawbs not fit to tie Jimmy's shoelaces.

Neeld overruled Prendergast and took James Sellar over Nick O'Brien

And then do you think of Hogan and T.Mac and want to give him a big hug.