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6. Christian Salem 5. Tom McDonald 4. Steven May 3. Christian Petracca 2. Bayley Fritsch 1. Jake Lever

6. Steven May 5. Luke Jackson 4. James Jordon 3. Jayden Hunt 2. James Harmes 1. Max Gawn

6. Max Gawn 5. Christian Petracca 4. Tom McDonald 3. Clayton Oliver 2. James Harmes 1. Charlie Spargo

6. Clayton Oliver 5. James Harmes 4. Jake Lever 3. Christian Petracca 2. Max Gawn 1. Trent Rivers

6. Clayton Oliver 5. Christian Petracca 4. Max Gwn 3. Jake Lever 2. Ed Langdon 1. James Harmes

That's not necessarily the case, just its a systemic weakness of the fixed 6-5-4-3-2-1 system that you can play well and not receive votes in good team performances and conversely receive votes for mediocre - or worse - games in lesser team performances. Obviously also when multiple players play equally well, you have the issue that there is a massive difference between five votes and one vote when in reality there isn't such a difference in output. Obviousy the best solution is we all score every player each week out of 10, but that obviously presents its own issues and likely isn't manageable. But in terms of Rivers, he plays well but is probably our 12th, on average, best player each week. In this system, thats of no value unfortunately.

6. Clayton Oliver 5. Christian Salem 4. Tom McDonald 3. James Jordon 2. Jake Lever 1. Christian Petracca

Chris Dawes and Matthew Warnock were both BGS students.

6. Clayton Oliver 5. Tom McDonald 4. James Harmes 3. Christian Salem 2. Steven May 1. Ed Langdon

6. Kysaiah Kropinyeri-Pickett 5. Bayley Fritsch 4. Luke Jackson 3. Clayton Oliver 2. Ed Langdon 1. Christian Salem

Last year's list size reductions wouldn't have helped him at all, but he's small and he plays a game style that you would like him to be a bigger body, but he is a class above in traffic and with hands in close at WAFL level. The issue with mature agers is clubs don't really have much use for them lurking on their list playing 8 games in two years and then being delisted. Taking a chance on a kid is a better use of list real estate with more upside. There are plenty of players who could play capable senior footy for a game or two, but theres not much point listing a player to play five games and then be done.

Rogers has been playing as an inside mid and a one-paced one at that. Has been getting a lot of the footy but not showing AFL attributes. Your man Sam Fisher should get his chance this year, hes been the one thats way above WAFL this year!

There is no chance in my opinion that Raak goes in the top 20 or anywhere near it. His stats are wildly inflated by kick-in duties and chips around the back half. If you watched the first quarter of his last Jets game, you would write him off as a player and ditto pretty much for his VFL debut. Fumbles under pressure and not that good a kick and may not even be able defend well eough one-on-one. That said, it only takes one club to fall in love with a player.

6. Christian Salem - the Stradivarius of small defender games! 5. Christian Petracca 4. Clayton Oliver 3. Jack Viney 2. Ed Langdon 1. Max Gawn

2:00pm, as per the fixture, which is annoying and nonsensical and I would imagine inconvenient for most wanting to double up.

For me, there was nothing better than being able to watch the ressies at Punt Road (or the G) and then the seniors. Used to love going to the huddle at the breaks and vividly remember a reserves game end of one season when they were behid at 3/4 time and Chris Fagan singled out two players that needed to lift in the last quarter (Craig Nettelbeck and Mark Winterton). They combined to kick five goals betwen them to win the game. Winterton in my opinion was one of the better listed players to never get a game for the club. Incidentally that day was the day the Dees tried out two champion country midfielders Guy Rigoni and Fraser Stevenson, who both dominated. The club was keeping Rigoni's identity as quiet as possible. I asked who he was and the club said he was the fictitious Rodney Saddington - Jason Saddington, Mark Bolton, Paul Chapman and Jess Sinclair among others were top up players that year.

Agree L.Pearce hugely stiff and Hanks unlucky too. Was a very strange side. Collingwood have a key defender Livingstone who was incredible this year and didnt make it, which is a travesty as well.

Competed with Ricky Jackson as my very early childhood hero did Manute :)

Anyone wanting to watch Mac Andrew can via the Nab League App, last weekend's game is already uploaded. I'm pretty sure the first few rounds have been missed, presumably due to the AFL being slow to get their house in order, but I would expect highlights packages for every NAB player down the track as well. He is certainly an intriguing prospect. For those with a familiarity with the NBA, he is a very similar bodyshape, though not as tall, as the late and great Manute Bol - which is a different Sudanese physique to players like Majak Daw and Aliir Aliir. One thing immediately noticeable is how slender his arms are, I can't recall seeing a player/potential draftee with such skinny arms and this marries to the fact that at under 16s level he was 59kg. Now he's more, to the eye anyway, 200cm or so and 70-75kg. On the weekend, the Stingrays played the Dragons who are a very good side at the moment and featured Max Heath in the ruck, a strong bullocking overage ruckman who was in draft calculations last year and will be one of the tougher opponents for young ruckmen to face in the NAB this year. Andrew started forward and took turns through the ruck during the day. At this stage his lack of body mass hurts him in some competitive situations, but he has a very impressive standing jump which, in the ruck, meant that he dished out some very nice service for his Stingray midfielders and it will be a seriously attractive attribute for recruiters. He wasn't super consistent at stoppages, but there was some ruckwork stuff that would have list managers salivating. Around the ground, he dropped back a kick behind the play at times and took some nice marks, mostly when he had read the play well, channelling Aliir Aliir, and was able to mark uncontested. Again, his lack of strength hurts him in some contested aerial skirmishes. What I think was most exciting about him is his fundamentals. This is not some Sudanese kid new to the game running around out-athleting kids and doing weird things with ball in hand. He has very sound kicking mechanics and his ball use by foot was very neat and a set shot at goal was finished smoothly with the coolness of someone who had been playing the game since he was 11 years old. I don't know whether it is the case or not, but it was very encouraging. So really, this is exciting ruck prospect, with likely versatility to play in other positions, perhaps key back and as a forward/ruck but very much at least a few years off having the muscle to be able to play at AFL level, certainly in the ruck at least. But with such good fundamentals and a vertical leap, you can see why the drums are beating loud for him. Is he a top 20 pick? He's going to need to be dominant through the season, I'd imagine, to get near that status, or need one team with a specific focus of getting in a developing ruckman, happy to bring them on over a few years. But he's a very interesting player and assuming he has good intangibles, can't see him not being a category B player for us at the absolute very least. I really like the fact that he kicks the ball with good technique. With the rest of the package, it is very desirable. You really are only needing to muscle up him up to have a theoretical first ruck option possibility your hands. They aren't always easy to find.

Some thoughts on the game, for those not able to get there or view... Toby Bedford - started extremely well and one of Casey's best in the first half, was quicksilver, skilful, efficient and pressured well. Not as prominent as the game petered out but if he can continue this sort of form he will pushing for a senior spot and a contract extension sooner rather than later. Appeared too good for the level, but there is obviously a momentous jump from a very depleted Hawthorn seconds to the big time! Jake Bowey - he was pretty good without wanting to shout his name from the rooftops. His lack of size was to his detriment in a few contested situations, but his ball use was generally solid from half back - again without wanting to rave about it excessively. Solid start all the same. Fraser Rosman - first time I'd seen him play a full game and he did some good things, including taking a terrific defensive mark, but was one of the quieter MFC listed players. Has a lot of filling out to do but looking at his performance through the prism of him being a project-type player, there were a few promising signs. All the same, he is mound of development clay, rather than a footballer at this stage. Probably worth noting that the game tended to bypass both our wingers and that probably hasn't helped him in the final analysis. Aaron VandenBerg - exactly the sort of game you would excpect from Vanders at this level. Was strong at the contest, won plenty of the football but was frequently wasteful with it. Still, one of the better players on the day over four quarters and would be applying desirable pressure to Jones, Jordon, Sparrow and co. Sam Weideman - ended up kicking seven goals and wrestling BOG honours away from the clutches of some his team-mates in the second half. The best thing about his game was that he conjured goals from multiple methods - guilesome one-on-one victories, pack marks, one from from a ruck throw-in and one from some ground-level work and a subsequent snap. He was excellent all day and has applied serious heat to selectors, the only caveat being the moderate opposition, both from team and individuals against contexts. Majak Daw - unfortunately for Majak, the returns of Brown and Weideman relegated him away from where he has been firing for Casey through the pre-season and into a first ruck role where he probably wasn't able to push for selection in the same way. I thought he was a solid contributer and did some good things without wanting to rave about the performance. It should be noted that if you were looking at Box Hill's team pre-game, their ruck stocks was certainly going to be their biggest strength, with Ceglar and 208cm Hawthorn-listed Reeves representing that division. Daw neutralised their impact well, but Brown and Weideman being in the side hurts his chances to make a more significant impact, especially on the scoreboard. Oskar Baker - thought the game bypassed him and we was quiet for the most part. Did on occasion use his speed to work in and out of traffic to elongate possession chains and he didn't do much wrong. But that said, his standing amongst his fellow senior selection wannabes will have deteriorated after this game, unless there is an at-all-costs specific need for his specific skillset/type or if he fits bets as a medical sub option. Deakyn Smith - slight back pocket rookie was a good contributer. The big knock on him through his junior days was his ball use, but he was tidy in this match and has definitely improved in that area and it has been an obvious development focus. That said, he was mostly conservative and safe with his distribution. One prominent feature was his aggressive tackling game, which was impressive, even though he was on the receiving end of some very marginal free kicks against. A promising first game and most likely will continue to be groomed into a close-checking back pocket. The big issue for him will be whether he will be able to put on the size to compete one on one? And will he ever be able to use the ball well enough to be anything other than a negative style player at the next level? Given how important and deadly AFL small forwards are becoming, that might not necessarily hold him back, but as much as possible you want well-rounded players filling out the smaller roles in your back six. Kade Chandler - the ying to Bedford's yang, Chandler was good but in a different way to his indigenous comrade. He is tough, has good forward craft and was just extremely solid in his interpretation of the small forward role. Kicked 1.2 but his performance was far better than that scoring output implies - he cracked in when necessary, marked the ball well under pressure, tackled with vigour and was generally crisp with most his work. Would we lose anything if he was called up to senior level? Hard to say! A good little player! Neville Jetta - thought he was extremely good. Given the freedom to play a more expansive role away from the gloom of his usual back pocket terrain, he won a lot of the ball, used it well and was consistently constructive. It was a shame that he missed a shot at goal after taking a flying mark during a rare rampage forward. Ready to be called upon again if necessary on the back of this effort, was in good touch and one of Casey's best in my opinion. Jay Lockhart - Lockhart was very industrious but, if anything, slightly down on my expectations, with a few uncharastic skill errors and other mistakes creeping into his game. That might be a shade harsh, but I have a fairly big opinion of him, particularly at this level, and just felt he was 10% off his usual quality. Still he was a solid four quarter contributer and no doubt in a week or two will be back to his best and ready to press for senior selection on the ballsack injury comeback trail. Joel Smith - sad to hear that Smith has injured a knee and maybe out for a period of time, because as a rebounding tall defender, I though he was superb for much of the day. His ball use and link-up play was excellent and he repeatedly had Casey moving the ball quickly and dangerously from defence. This attacking/rebounding style surprisingly outshone his defensive work, where he was occasionally loose defensive to his side's detriment. Was competing for BOG honours before injury all the same. Austin Bradtke - Luke Jackson-lite? I think we can put a line through Bradtke as an AFL first ruckman at any stage, he just isn't going to be big enough to do that well enough at the highest level. What was exciting was the way he moved and just a couple of contests where he looked really promising and was able to take a few good marks. I liked his hands in close at times as well. The issue is this is Bradtke's third season on the list. If you look at his performance through the lens of a young rookie, it was a promising, effort, similar to Rosman's display. The other view is he is probably not doing enough for someone in this third year at the club. I lean to the positivie at the moment and that there is something here to persist with. Ben Brown - Good contribution from Brown, took some clever marks and finished well for the main part. There was something stilted about his movement which worried me a touch to the eye, but there is no doubting the threat he provides. Even if he is not kicking goals, he will draw free kicks, cause panic amongst defenders and cause positive outnumbers at ground level. Kozzie Pickett will love playing with him. Kicked three but probably a week or two away. BEST: Weideman, J.Smith, Jetta, Bedford, VandenBerg, Chandler. The Casey representatives were by and large solid without any suggesting they could be future AFL draftees. George Grey has some X-factor and may be the most likely as a small forward, but thats at a real stretch.. Luca Goonan was serviceable as an inside mid but needs to add an enormous amount of nuance to his game to be considered. Zac Foot is quick but not clean enough in traffic, Sparkes a bit vanilla, though kicked a terrific snap goal. Munro, Freeman, White and Hutchins we know about. Sparkes was a late inclusion for Aidan Quigley. It has to be understood that Box Hill were incredibly depleted. As mentioned, their rucks on paper looked super strong but were easily handled. Other than that they had few Hawthorn listed players of note and only really long-time VFL star Damien Mascitti and ex-Bulldog Fergus Greene caused any real threat, but only fleetingly. Hard to take the game too seriously, other than to say a large volume of Dees are in form and played well.

6. Max Gawn 5. Clayton Oliver 4. Tom McDonald 3. Jake Lever 2. Kysaiah Kropinyeri-Pickett 1. Christian Salem

FWIW, that team is not the official lineup. It is: B: Lochart, Hutchins, D.Smith HB: Bowey, J.Smith, Jetta C: Baker, Quigley, Bedford HF: Foot, Weideman, White F: B.Brown, Daw, Chandler FOLL: Braddtke, Munro, VandenBerg I/C: Freeman, Goonan, Grey, Rosman. Seems someone has composited that lineup from a list of players.

theres almost no chance he has seen him play and he's a historically putrid judge in any case.

6. Max Gawn 5. Christian Petracca 4. Jake Lever 3. Clayton Oliver 2. Jack Viney 1. Bayley Fritsch

An enormous 16 intercepts by 2 clangers