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Bradtke is playing for the Dandenong Stingrays this weekend.

Ben Ainsworth or Tom Papley would be decent targets to trade for.

Comfortably my most disliked player in over 30 years of supporting the club with his unnecessary look away handballs and tackling people in congestion that are going to be tackled anyway. The worst part of him is that he refuses to put his head in the hole or to bodyline the ball or the players he is tackling. He misses and doesn't stick so many tackles that would actually mean anything because of this and he never safely wins disputed ball. An absolutely horrific player who looks half decent when we are dominating but who is a conman of the highest order.

6. Clayton Oliver 5. Angus Brayshaw 4. Max Gawn 3. Jack Viney 2. James Harmes 1. Christian Salem

Wouldn't count out him playing down back as well. Cats have Dahlhaus, Myers, Ablett, Atkins and Parfitt all rolling through their forward fifty and they were playing a lot of 2 tall four small last week with Gary Rohan and Danger mixed in. Lockhart may come in to do a job down back, maybe try and go with Atkins, Myers and Dahlhaus if Jetta and Hibberd are occupied with Ablett and Danger. Could be In: May, Lockhart Out: Frost Hore if they decide KK needs another week. Could also play as forward to of course.

6. Christian Salem 5. Angus Brayshaw 4. James Harmes 3. Jake Melksham 2. Clayton Oliver 1. Max Gawn

They don't have many talls at all.

I thought Keilty showed enough to be an ok emergency third ruckman if it got to that point - The question is would any of the state league ruckman make any sort of difference if we had a ruck injury crisis. The player most thought was the best mature age ruckman in the draft Darcy Fort has looked horrible for Geelong.

Strongish side - new ruckmans name is Wale-Buxton FYI

Agree with this. Unfortunately despite his good attributes - high effort, endurance, great clubman - he has major deficiencies. He doesn't crack in, he takes circular approaches to the football and to his opponent so he very rarely ever bodylines the ball or the man to put himself in danger. He is actually one of the softest players in the side. He is poor overhead and not a one touch footballer or a good user by foot. What he does OK is create an outnumber to be able to lock the ball in He is clearly instructed to take on a under 12s approach whereby he just chases the ball to add number to the contest and he does that very well to lock the ball in. This is where his tackle stats come from. Unfortunately, the Eagles cruelly exposed this tactic in the first quarter of the preliminary final.

It's Liam Wale-Buxton - been a dominant Eastern Football League ruckman the last few years with Vermont and for the Tiwi Bombers in the offseason.

Seecamp never played with Haydn Robins

Not sure if been mentioned but he has a BOG Three Brownlow vote game on Kennedy.

Does that mean all the posters on Demonland should never appraise player or coach performances?

Super quick. If he can find a bit more composure, would be handy. More versatile than many think.

North have another promising ruck, Xerri, on their list and if you actually go club by club there aren't a lot of teams that actually need a first ruckman - and even less if you consider that maybe Preuss wants to live in Melbourne. It may be that we're willing to pay him overs contractually to come and be the insurance policy for Gawn, given it is an obvious hole in the list.

The Crows will surely try and package picks and McGovern for Pick 1. It's an interesting position for Carlton. With Curnow and McKay they don't really have a need for another young key forward. So their decision is to either bypass the best player and go for need (midfielder Walsh) at 1. Take Lukosius as best player available. Or to get multiple picks (8, 15, 19 an example) and have a quantity not quality approach at the draft. They probably have to take Walsh, which then leaves Gold Coast at pick 2 and Pick 3 who the Crows on draft night could try and sway. The Suns desperately need a key forward but the go-home factor concern will be enormous. It's quite interesting. Wouldn't shock me if the Suns take the King brothers at 2 and 3 with Lukosius bizarrely sliding based on non-ability reasonings. But you'd hope they would back their culture in and take him.

Surely King gets delisted.

It wouldn't shock me if he was dropped, he was completely ineffective, but it does leave Pedersen as first ruck and takes him away from a key position berth so perhaps he is injured and played injured last week, explaining his performance. Preuss could only really be the back up ruckman. The one thing with our list is if two of Weideman, McDonald or Hogan were unavailable you could run with Gawn and Preuss in the same side no problems. He is not a skilled forward but he will compete.

there is absolutely no way Mitch King will be kept on the list after last week's performance.

Carlton will get McGovern - they have been trying to get him for the last two years and he's now keen to go there.

B: Alan Johnson, Sean Wight, Paul Prymke HB: Brett Lovett, David Neitz, Gary Hardeman C: Stan Alves, Greg Wells, Robbie Flower HF: Garry Lyon, David Schwarz, Adem Yze F: Jeffrey Farmer, Allen Jakovich, Gerard Healy FOLL: Jim Stynes, Todd, Viney, Jack Viney I/C: Jeff White, Stephen Tingay, Glenn Lovett, Steven Febey EM: Andrew Obst, Nathan Jones, Shane Woewodin.

Any team with Jim Stynes and Garry Lyon on the bench is unfortunately well wide of the mark. Peter Moore and Strawbs not fit to tie Jimmy's shoelaces.

Neeld overruled Prendergast and took James Sellar over Nick O'Brien

And then do you think of Hogan and T.Mac and want to give him a big hug.