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Could be right. Bit of a conundrum. I'm not sure which is the right way to go.

Eagles go pretty tall at Subi.

I don't think we really count Frost like you would a normal tall. He's not much much different to Hunt and Hibberd (athletically), only he has the benefit of being able to play on a tall. He burns off 99% of other players in the league and is starting to run all day. To fit Gawn in I'd say Pedo stays forward and Bugg unfortunately makes way. Pedo marks most of what Bugg has been flying for, and/or smashes someone.

I've thought he will be for quite a while. But I don't think the bar is very high.

As if the mighty Hibberd would waste time with the fashionable "tackling." He's too busy actually playing football. The 4 tackles he has were accidents. But seriously, how consistently excellent is this bloke? And I mean excellent. Brilliant recruit.

Then you're a poor judge if you haven't seen anything that says he'll be any good before yesterday. While he's made plenty of blunders, he's also shown plenty of signs before QB. He's still not developed and I don't think he's fully ready for AFL level, so the fact that he does do good things at top level ahead of time is a credit to him. People have short memories, forgetting how bad Garland, Frawley even Alex Rance looked early on. Not everyone can be Lever or Weitering from day dot. Oscar (even more so his brother) drive me nuts on game day sometimes, but he has attributes and we need to remember he'll take some time. I thought his first half QB was poor watching live. It wasn't. It was 2 left foot kicks that scarred my brain. It was his best full game. He was good.

That was awesome, great job. Statistics tell me from watching that, we kick great goals when we're losing.

That's a good point. We could clone SOS and Matty Scarlett and it still wouldn't make a difference to the way we set up defend sometimes.

Nah, not with the stupid money being thrown at Kelly. I doubt we'd enter that race. If we did could we trade Tyson and pick 9? Just for laughs.

Kelly. Put Kelly in our midfield and you wouldn't need any defenders, the ball would never be down there.

I'd prefer it in my hands rather than Lewis'. And are we mentioning how soft he is? I was actually embarrassed.

He was very good in '14. But from memory not this good. Had a down 2015, understandably I suppose. Essendon would've won with him tonight for sure.

Not sure I've seen a better HBF for us.

And what, want to clone him? I bet Rory Sloane wishes he had that body shape playing along side him last Satdee. Edit: I assumed you were talking about Petracca, forgot there was the other bloke in the thread title.

KB wants Richmond to get McCartin. Bit before my time was KB, how many concussions did he get?

Jesse Hogan kicked 6 in the VFL when he was too young to buy smokes.

First episode of American Gods is something else, wow. Check it out.

Some take seasons to win me over. Hibberd took 5 minutes. Gun.

Zak has improved quite a bit, but as others have said, doesn't fill a need. I'm a big fan of Aliir Aliir (2 i's people) but he won't be going anywhere.

5 touches and umpteen dropped marks in a winning side against Brisbane under a roof. Wowzer. On in a more serious note, I truly worry about his concussions, copped barely a tap to the head in a standard forward pack (I think when Bruce snapped on his right foot for goal) and seemed dazed and down for about 10-15 seconds. I think it's going to be a huge issue, if it isn't already.

I've seen pretty much every game Lever and Oscar have played. Lever is far more composed, reads the flight of the ball far better, takes more risks by foot (which do and don't pay off) and just looks the far more natural footballer. To be fair to Oscar (who I actually like as a developing player), Lever has been supported by a much more reliable group of defenders. Lever is just a much better footballer is the bottom line. I'll be happy to have both on our list please.

2nd round pick + Jamar and Matt Jones should get it done.

I love this kid. The most composed defender from day dot you'll ever see. Exactly what we need. Crows will be spewing if they lose him and Mitch McGovern, whom I also rate extremely highly and I believe he will definitely go to WA.

The topic requires us to look at McCartin's faults to decide whether or not you think St Kilda made the right decision. If he didn't have fairly obvious weaknesses then it wouldn't even be a debate.

I'm in the Bont is elite camp. Pretty much everything he does is to the Bulldogs advantage. You don't need 30 possessions a game to be elite.