daisycutter

If he admitted to taking peds during his brownlow year then there would be a problem I don't think admitting to "recreational" only drugs in his brownlow year would be

george, i can't see how that resolves all issues such that the afl don't have to make a decision. all it does it make this decision somewhat easier. they would still have to decide if the official records will show watson as the winner or whatever. if they then decide he is not the official winner of record then they have to make the decision as to whether there is no winner or the next placed players become the official winners of record. just returning a medal in itself means nothing. only the afl can decide the official status of record.

all that is fine, but you must realise that they have had more than enough time to investigate those aspects. additionally gil and other executives have made too many sympathetic public statements that just indicate that their prevarication is more about finding an excuse to not take it off watson. they have never really accepted the cas verdict and instead of keeping their mouths shut, accept the verdict and move on like you would expect of a professional body they just dither in their weakness and make it all the more a circus. [to me at least, the cotchin/mitchell decision is also easy. they should get it and there is plenty of precedent to support that.]

oh come on ldvc. they have had at least 12 months to consider that. no need to act the apologist, their response has been glacial

there is no deal required. it's not a hard or difficult decision. it's an easy decision. all they have to do is apply the rules. qed.

well we've had 10 years of vanilla, od. but i hope those days are over

banana or vanilla?

David Schwarz's mother Mary, who placed Farmer on a pedestal above even her son, to leave the MCG at half-time

heads-up for mr. leg. movie "red 2" just starting on channel 10

seems jobe disagrees with you

could mr leg be the riddler? he is certainly good at pulling our legs

i presume mr leg is busy watching the bruce wiilis movie tonight about his previous life titled just "red"

they will probably wait till the turn of the century to make a decision and hope everyone will have forgotten

yeah, keep your money in your wallet

hibberd is an english name derived from the normans

anyone know what bomberblitz are saying?

there is a whole day to go, luci.......mahoney can still weave some magic

i like the symmetry of next years 2nd rounder last year we gave a 2nd rounder for melksham and had to wait a year. this time they can wait for a year......only fair imo

may be stronger but not necessarily deeper. next year's 2nd round pick will be in the 30's (maybe well into?)

not necessarily court proceedings, nasher first step is greivances tribunal which is fairly quick. if successful, essendon could theoretically go to court I doiubt in current circumstances and for lots of reasons they would do that However, the decision to go to grievances tribunal is up to hibberd and the indications are that he has not been so inclined (but who knows?)

you mean thursday?

Dog's Gordon takes a whack at AFL Cover-up Integrity Unit http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/western-bulldogs-savage-afl-over-alleged-talia-leak/news-story/13151999cb4f0e8872c92432d0309b93

still wouldn't matter. wada rules are that guilty players should lose awards and prizes for period of offence. jobe should lose brownlow not because of "fairest and best" afl rules but because of wada guilty rules. if it was "best" only he would still have brownlow stripped

but he's red'n'blue through and through

i don't need to know all the facts (though i'd like to know more). does one ever know all the facts on anything? i've seen enough to convince me of essendon's guilt within the wada framework, that the afl reluctantly work under and try to undermine when it doesn't suit them we will never know all the facts because those closest to it will not provide the facts, nor evidence, nor testify under oath asada have not done the best job but have laboured under inadequate funding, very limited investigative powers and other factors