daisycutter

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will we make 40k by 2:10 on saturday? 39,402

cbnc

dftft

think there is a game of semantics being played out here, lucy all about what "approved" means afl are saying not approved as in recommended but approved as in allowed or nothing to stop it company is trying to treat approved as meaning afl sanctioned

oh ffs.......there is a whole separate forum called the general forum for political proselytising......use it

errr......wrong forum

but the point specifically for wines was that he was essentially ready and was "low maintenance" re development......same as vineyl wines would have been a star wherever he went

ummmm...... he was developed by draft day......a walk up starter

not from leighoak, that ends this july and i suspect most of our gambling revenue comes from leighoak not bentleigh. but that's only my guess

no decent profits in selling smokes, wyl

are you describing capitalism, binman?

some truth in that. i remember decades ago they tried to get sports betting up and it was a real failure. i think the internet, graphics, technology and smart phones have played a big part not only making it more available and immediate but adding a lot of "glamour" to it

is there gaming entitlements at the leighoak venue like there are at the bentleigh club? if so, what % of gaming do we lose this July with the sale of leighoak?

without a doubt, jim. and it's easier to bet as you don't even have to go to a venue. just need a smart phone and we know how ubiquitous they are

that's true dof, but it doesn't mean there will be less gaming machines out there. the same number of lives and families will be wrecked. the licences will just end up owned by someone else all it means is that the mfc won't be playing a part in it nor profiting from it

he can easily kick 50m when he's on the run it's more to do with his awkward set shot 'technique'

yep, arguing the same stuff again and again is getting really really boring

now that went out the window quite a few years ago, od, or weren't you paying attention?

was all public (australia) pressure. without it ca would have applied the wet lettuce, let's not kid ourselves

i thought i said effectively that i disagree that this was the final straw for ca . they have been conspicuous by their lack of action and concern for all the bad behaviour nevertheless the punishment for ball tampering is excessive, it is not justice to punish someone for an offence based on what others have done previously and for what they are not specifically charged with. nor to be so markedly different from precedence 3 months (maybe 6) would have been more appropriate and still sent a harsh message

i see your point but also mr legs. whilst the icc standard ball tampering penalty of 1 match (+ some points and match fee) is manifestly inadequate, there is one hell of a big difference from 1 game for 1 person to nearly three years across 3 people (plus all the attendant $ costs that result) I think too that this is the first case that the offenders have actually owned up. In the other cases all sorts of stupid claims of innocence were made and du plessis even appealed one of his charges. some say that this instance was worse because of premeditation and complicity. You can't tell me all the other ones weren't premeditated and as for complicity we just wouldn't know because they all claimed innocence. to me they were all just the same - a blatant breaking of the rules and cheating, full stop bottom line, i think the final penalties were excessive and the players effectively punished also for all the perceived recent sins of the team i don't doubt the public outrage was increased due to the general bad sportsmanlike behaviour of the team in recent years and that this was a major factor in determining the sentence (fairly or not). this makes ca all the more hypocritical as they have had adequate opportunity over the years to do something about this bad behaviour but chose to ignore it and therefore tacitly give it approval

maybe we just need teflon-coated carbon-fibre balls

rather appropriate for easter, od being crucified for the sins of others, that is...............

and btw, mods, the cricket thread in general forum seems corrupted if i select next unread or last post i get an error code. been this way for a number of days may just be me, for some reason, but can someone have a look at it please?