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It sounds like Brown said his sexual orientation and teammates attitudes shortened his career. Just imagine a player(s) could have been so much better but instead their career just petered out. Same as any other "what might have been" somewhere along the way any team - even our team - may have missed out on a flag or two.

Can't wait! 😂

Don't be silly! Obviously the psych is pandering to the son's wellbeing.

I do take your point and I hope eventually it's only relevant..... when it's relevant. Think about that. As an employer it's not relevant. As ....well almost anything it's not relevant. But when someone is talking about their same-sex partner and / or non-hetero love life then it's relevant. (And it's relevant any time someone's trying to make out gay or similar people are somehow lesser or deserve to die.or suffer horribly.)

If Bucks is actually already coach it'd be ridiculous if there's an announcement later today that some player he wanted to keep has been signed elsewhere and wouldn't have if he'd known about Bucks. Is this possible or is nothing set in stone till trade period?

I just want to know that homophobic slurs aren't flung about on the football field. Someone at my workplace was sacked for doing the same. It would also be great if there were great gay footballer role models who helped gay youth come to terms with their difference and everyone be less homophobic. But I've already said I don't expect this. As for interest groups ruining the game when teams start the game with one performing the Haka and the other dresses in leather and lipsyncs I Will Survive I'll get back to you.

Huh? Why would gay people ever out themselves? So they have normal lives. So they don't have a big secret - and most big secrets are wrapped in shame or self-loathing - so why possibly feel ashamed? So they don't hide. So they know that teenagers now struggling with this same burden realise they're not alone and they're really not some kind of freak (and don't take their lives). Was this what you were asking?

I doubt it's quite at the level of the Simpsons episode of Homer taking his son to a steel mill to 'make' him straight only to find every steelworker was gay. But I wouldn't be surprised if some bigots watch games and players at times thinking how masculine and hot-blooded and straight the whole thing is(!) Who knows - it may be so the other way that every match since 1976 has included a gay (or bi-curious) footballer! It's just a small noisy minority that kick up a fuss. But, yeah, there's little reward and lots of potential grief for the first dozen/hundred/thousand outed players. Cripes... even a player from the 90's would be silly to now come out on something like Australian Story or a Sunday papers magazine article.

Sorry, I can't read that without hearing the Emperor in Monty python's Life of Brian. Welease Wodger!

Yep, we're rotters and heels.

What you do in private is fine by me. But if he's a Collingwood supporter you're gonna burn in hell! 😂😂😂

That's nice. But could use more cowbell. 😁

What's going on? It's not perfect but if people can just smile and nod whenever their sensibilities are threatened the rest of us are none the wiser. Really if they can hold it in when a store owner is female or two men are holding hands or a 'foreign' family walk past it's better for everyone. Why is it so hard to not use a slur? I really can't see what the argument would be. Of course I can feel sorry that Rankine's stupidity and / or hatred will cause him so much grief but that's on him. Howdo we even know the Collingwood player isn't actually gay? He has every right to be a professional footballer and every right to pretend he's not gay (as sad as that is in so many ways). As for there being no victim it can also be that people in the crowd hear the slur as well as other players. I doubt many are that offended by just one slur but it accumulates and in time gays have internalised that they're worthless or inferior and others by then hate gays so much that they're aggressive towards them. Please, can't we just stamp this out? BTW there's been around 11000 players. Apparently they're all straight and mainly Anglo-Saxon. I somewhat doubt we're the vulnerable ones.

Didn't our Rivers from 15/20 years ago win this award? Did he go onto be a superstar? In their year Jesse Hogan beat Paddy Cripps. As good as this Coleman medallist is is he the same level as a dual Brownlow winner? As nice as this award would be it'll be better if his future is better than any Dees fan could possibly imagine.

He's had a good year. But is he obviously in the best 23? I'm sure there's a few possible selections like him that also missed this extended list.

Can I quote you? 😁

Can he turn his career around? Do we want the risk? I think not. If there are problems in the playing ranks, whether a rift or overall team morale, they don't want to add to that. After two frustrating years I think everyone in the club wants to see a bounce next year. If I were a brand new coach I'd also wanna see a bounce. If I were Buckley I'd probably also wanna see a bounce too - a coach from the enemy replacing our only living premiership coach whose last few years saw a drop-off. On top of that whether coincidental his replacement took the 'same' team to success. So I'm sure he shouldn't risk it. Oh, and especially after we got caught at the foot of the ladder when the last new sides came in we sure as hell don't wanna be there again when Tasmania come in. So no, no, no, no,no, no, no. (I'd only recommend a team in the premiership window with an established coach, and many weeks of pondering, would risk this guy. Didn't he even point a gun at a teammate?

I'm really not too fussed. Even on here there are posters annoyed with May. If that's actually warranted I'm happy to see him go. AND if he goes TMac is a reasonable replacement.

Yep, culturally he may be a problem - maybe even a big problem. It's all speculation but if the new management feel that he's a fly in the ointment I'd be quite happy to see him go.

I just read a rumour that May's off to the Bulldogs. It was from journo .... but it could be true. If so it makes sense to keep TMac.

So May's gone then? A big part on hearsay? I wouldn't surprise if he does go. But be that on what the new coaches know is real rather than guesses.

And what if it was a veteran player? He's "gifted" 4 weeks, plays so well that forever after the fans know he was an essential cog in their premiership win BUT now he can give the AFL the bird and laugh himself to sleep for years after! Basically he's escaped any punishment, won his flag and retired as he had always planned.

How do you know this?

Okay. This was always going to be a nightmare for the AFL. Snoop will always have baggage and would clash with AFLs family image. I'm sure the tribunal always broadcasts player penalties (and I'm glad Rankine's punishment is a warning to others and shows to some extent an intolerance of homophobia, regardless of offender or whether it cripples a club.) Unfortunately word got out early about this misdemeanor and we don't know Rankine's defence. In a perfect world, after a private trial, on Wednesday an announcement would have come out that Rankine's been penalised for 4 weeks for a homophobic slur and that "the AFL does not tolerate homophobia" and possibly that the penalty would have been higher if Rankine didn't have {insert problem}. But we don't have a perfect world.

How would that work? The Crows just tell porkies that some unspecified injury will keep ....no, scrap that...that Rankine's out a month for mental health reasons? Then the truth gets out even if just among the 18 clubs and some think this stunt belittles homophobia and /or mental illness. I think a lot of this is problematic. Sure, I'm glad there was some kind of deliberate trial before Rankine's name came out. But after maybe it's best that institutions and people confirm something homophobic happened ....and genuinely show that it's not on!