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IMHO it needs to be when he's lost the backing/faith of the players. Sacking a coach is a drastic measure that cannot just be a kneejerk reactions. Do it badly and can create a rift between players divided on the sacking or between the players and / or the rest of the coaching staff and the administration. Either way morale might take years to restore. I wasn't alive in1965 but it sounds like the sacking of Norm Smith set us back for many, many years. It's easy to forget how many coaches never win a flag. Even the ones that do usually take more than a couple of years. Goodwin won his in his fifth year. If a new coach is 'flag-ready' in 2030 it could be that Gawn, Petracca etc are no longer topliners and we look back and wonder if there was still a flag in them somewhere round 2027 that we blew with a coach change. Honestly I can imagine worst case scenarios that have Goody fired after the next game even. Really there's no obvious breaking point. But I really feel like either the large majority of the players or Goody are best placed to make the decision.

Shouldn't that be the silhouette of a Bin? 😁

We've lost confidence - we've hardly won a game in 9 or 10 months. It's so hard to predict a lot of AFL stuff. We're not in the inner sanctum to know just how bad or temporary the current slump is. Eventually teams turn things around and maybe suddenly everything - many things - click again. But who knows? I do wish the harsher criticism would go away. It doesn't help and potentially makes things worse.

Possibly earlier. There's no denying the last two games have been dreadful. If at some stage Goody loses the players' faith THEN he should go. I'm not sure they have yet.

It's like you've taken two of my favourite things - Demons in their lost-cause era and meetings so boring you actually want to go back to your boring paperwork - and blended them together like 'Jeff Goldblum' and The Fly for sexy results. 🤢

No, it isn't. A team that kicks 6 goal of the year contenders and takes 6 marks of the same standard will walk off the field embarrassed if they lose 6.17 to 27.13

It's easy to forget that winning creates confidence and that losing saps it and often extends winning or losing streaks. Hawthorn and Lions expect to win while Carlton and our Dees almost feel like they'll lose, especially when the other side is coming in the last quarter. The one up side is that things can change fairly quickly. A year ago Hawks were tripping over their shadows.

Nice stat. Then again St Kilda's recent years have been woeful and Carlton had 4 years where you could pencil in powerhouse Richmond beating them.

Exactly! While it's easy to mock buzzwords if a workplace is having more fun without interfering with them achieving their main goals it can but help. I hope this is the case with Melbourne and we leave them be to prove it.

Thank you! I really was getting annoyed that I somehow should've deduced this quickly

Who is Bkies??????

I'm sure it helped🙄

Maybe not. But tell me whether it's better that employees love their workplace and colleagues, just like both or despise either

Marvel sucks Essendon sucks. Even after last night they look mediocre. Oh, and the game finished at 10pm on a work night. I can understand why many didn't bother.

So many teams would infuriate their fans. This decade I'd rather be a Dees fan.

It's so cool that after being two of the 3 superpowers from the late 70s to the early noughties it's so satisfying to see Carlton will probably go past a 30-year flag drought and Essendon's probably going to wait 22 plus years just to win any final. You would have been committed if you insisted either would happen back round 2001. 😊

1pm Sunday?

Yeah, yeah, actions speak louder than words. The Romans even said as much 2000 years ago and we all get it. I'm not panicking as much as some on here but I know eventually Melbourne have to play better and must improve. I still think Goody, and other coaches, would rather be spending their time away from these PR exercises. Knock his poor coaching decisions but shrug off the rest of this which ultimately is not what a coach is

I get the feeling he just means 'appreciate' and Petracca didn't feel appreciated. Maybe it's just me but I'd have thought people want to be appreciated at work and by their loved ones. That said I don't want to hear the MFC (or in my personal life) going on and on about either love or appreciation, especially it feels hollow.

Not a good analogy. There are times where swapping positions works and times where it doesn't. Right now 'punching bag' Rory Lobb is being lauded as a new backman and Kevin Sheedy famously won matches by moving the 'magnets' round. We certainly need to see how we can get Fritsch back into form and I'm happy for Langdon to never play midfield again. But sometimes position swaps are masterstrokes that can just about win flags. Also it was all of yesterday I read comments here complaining how Goody's game plan is boring and he never tries anything new (!)

How about that he played his first game in over 9 months and then second-up was a real grind?

You wouldn't happen to be over 50? 😂

Technically. Maybe a computer program could check this but I suspect a team that wins one or less of their first three games and then wins its next three would have done worse historically than ones that instead started 3-0 and went to 3-3 or 4-1. I can't help but think chasing your tail during the season or individual games is more stressful and more draining. Maybe it's only a bit worse. The main thing for Melbourne is to follow the processes they've decided on and hopefully start chalking up some wins.

True. But he who laughs last laughs ......

yeah, it's still uncharted/unchartered territory how to handle these longer seasons. The above examples are probably not all coincidences. Instead of having 3 or 4 preseason games and then having round 1 late March now there's 1 'match simulation' and only 1 practice match for each team and teams need to be match-ready 2 or 3 weeks earleir yet also not 'too' fit. People shouldn't take this for granted. I doubt coaches are. Back in the 80s and 90s teams would often try to win all their pre-season games as they aimed to win the pre-season competition. I'm guessing back then because many players would stay within 70m of their official position on the field all day they could easily get to Septmber with plenty left in the tank.... and often the pre-season premier would go well into September. But even by the noughties suddenly some pre-season premiers fell away badly including one or two ending up winning the wooden spoon. I'm guess even by then there was more running in games and more tired legs come September. I doubt we'll do what Hawthorn did last year. But we may be one of the teams that will improve as some other teams lose their early-season fitness advantage. Fingers crossed.