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He is out of contract at the end of 2019 but he is not a free agent then. Scroll back through the thread if you need verification, it has been explained a number of times.

It looks like the fact that Hogan is not a free agent next year has to be re-stated on every page of this thread.

I think the AFL gave Geelong permission last year. They just want to protect against basket cases and desperate regimes selling their future down the river. But if the club looks in good shape I think they'll allow it. Here's a possible link I found but it's behind the paywall https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/geelong-can-again-trade-its-firstround-draft-pick-in-2018/news-story/82989f88db7d2425be27dae06077fab7

It is possible that Jason Taylor has identified a premium early draft prospect and we want to trade in to get him like we did with Clarrie and Weed. There's a lot of different scenarios to play out. Fascinating times. The report that we asked permission to trade our 2019 1st just adds to the intrigue. I've only seen a couple of posters say this and haven't seen an official confirmation though? I guess it just provides more flexibility and may not be directed at a specific target. Sounds like future picks will be eligible in draft night live pick trading too http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-08/twoday-draft-to-add-live-pick-trading

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I thought you said Oscar had "no AFL attributes"?

A lot of assumption that we are going to have 9 or 10 from Freo in the Hogan trade. But it is not clear that Freo will be able to get them from Port:

A lot of assumption in this thread that Freo is going to prise 9 & 10 from Port. I don't think that is clear at all:

Yeah well welcome to the world Rumplestiltskin. We just don't operate that wat because what goes around comes around and we're fair dealers.

No points are also used to value picks only trades.

Pick 4 = 2034 points. Pick 9 = 1469 points the difference is 565 points. Pick 33 = 563 points. So pick 4 = pick 9 + 33. The closest pick Port hold is pick 27. If we offered pick 4 to Port they'd offer us back 9 + 27 which would still favour us. There's no way they'd offer 9 + 10 which equals 2879. It's not that hard.

[censored] they'll do the deal with Brisbane or Freo who hold the picks worth the equivalent points.

The #1 hasn't had a great run at MFC.

Posters need to realise that the points deal to get Port's 9 and 10 is 4 AND 22 that Freo get from Brisbane for Neale. The talk of us trading just pick 4 or even 5 for 9 +10 is fantasyland. It's really not that hard to look up the points table. Also 5 + 10 for Hogan values him much higher than 4 + 22 for Neale.

Andrew Brayshaw is proven general midfield quality who has had a good exposure to AFL. He had a very solid AFL year, he was a lock in my fantasy team so I followed his progress and he consistently built throughout the year. Relentless midfield quality rotation wears down the opposition. And yes there is something in the Brayshaw name. Good culture is key to success. I love the way Angus goes about it and that's highly likely to be a Brayshaw trait that Andrew will bring. It also brings a stronger bond in adversity. I think we also get a lot from the Macs. I love Toms approach and Oscar seems very similarly smart, sensible and driven.

All true and good analysis. But we are now flag contenders and we don't want to trade Hogan for talented 18 year olds. We need solid best 22 ready to go. That's why I think May offers appropriate value with say pick 10 if we get that in the deal. Probably good for the Suns too. If they want a fresh cultural start they need him out so they can move forward and there's no complete guarantee they will get band 1 at the end of 2019. My first preference is for something like Andrew Brayshaw (we're not getting Cerra) and May (with pick 10) for Hogan.

I will be totally amazed if Gaff stays at West Coast. He would have made his mind up already and he would have announced it ahead of the GF as a morale booster. His obvious devastation yesterday was because he could have left on the high note of a flag but for his action and suspension. Will most probably nominate North for megabucks but I suspect we've been right in the discussion for a long time and the Hogan trade may be giving us scope to the offer, there's a chance he comes to us.

Yes Oscar has further improvement but he has made significant improvement year on year. McCartney is directly involved with defence and I expect he'll be working hard with Oscar directly on these things.

Frost has been good this year and played well to his strengths as well described in tecent posts. But his other weakness on display particularly in the last two finals was aerial - he misjudged and drpped crucial marks. I think OMac's strength issues will be more easily overcome. He is on a curve of improvement

Not sure if serious? Collingwood are well known to be in the race for May Double down: strengthen one's commitment to a particular strategy or course of action, typically one that is potentially risky. The West Coast marking forwards were a key reason they won the GF, therefore the appeal of a strong key defender to Collingwood will be even stronger and they are likely to increase their offer to May.

After today's GF Collingwood will be doubling down on their offer to May.

What are all these Essendon trading coups you are referring to?

There's a lot water to flow under the bridge before the final deal is washed through but 10 for May is not as unreasonable as many seem to be saying. If we genuinely rate him as the key tall back we need he's going to be worth something like that.

In your previous post you claimed we were smashed in the deal. It doesn't look like that to me.